Thanks.

 

hey doug..u know i love you and got ur back all the time
but thats a bit harsh on davebret..
he has great knowledge in all of the motoring industry..
he doesnt need a mini to "play in our field"
hes welcome anytime with his wisdom and knowledge :smile:


>>yes Mr Barbie car, they dropped the ball... Madness hyped up their Mini...
>>
>>HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
>>
>>and when their balloon was deflated... they disappeared... to say no more about their Mini..
>>
>>that is dropping the ball
>>
>>go buy another Mini if you wish to continue playing on our field.

 

Actually, I was impressed with the Mini Cooper results in the "Fourgasm". Aside from the 0-60 and 1/4 mile posted times. The road course results are really good when you analyize them. The MCS finished 3rd overall in the road course being beat only by .5 seconds by the fasted car that had 450hp and the second fastest with 310hp! Do you realize how much faster the top two cars would have been down the straights than the MCS? That means that the MCS was incredably fast thur the road course. Just needs that 471 lbs of torque from the Venom N2O to boost it down the straights....

 

This is why I disapprove of the biased views of this mags editors. Had it been any other comparison where the weather was a factor, they would redo the tests on a more optimal day. They (magizine) probably had some pressure to do a comparison, but just wanted to d--k around and prove that the Mustang would have made it between the two semis in 2stupid2care (foreign vs domestic reference). In the same issue (if I recall), they tested an H2 tuned by Lingenfelter. Ooooo.... that makes sense.

Biased magizines produce biased results with biased testing. Not a car in that article stood a chance. They weren't testing, they were showing off.

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BTW madd... good showing.


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>>It seems as though the car should be quicker than the numbers say, especially with 250h.p. on tap. It has to be the gear ratios because 2700lbs. and 250h.p. should be very quick...and I'm sure it is. But the 0-60times and 1/4 mi times are dissapointing. I know it's been done to death and I DO NOT STREET RACE, but getting my but kicked even on paper by a focus svt just makes me ill
>>I know that isn't realistic yet but it's fun to dream.......... a real sleeper stomping and romping on ...boxters ??

If you read the prolog on page 48 column 3 paragraph 2:
"..., we included our standing-start acceleration time for 0-60 mph and quarter-mile speed and elapsed time, which were plucked from the car's quickest overall run. ..."

 

Right,...lot's of good banter here. I'm sure that car is impressive in reality....I just wish we got the respect that hard numbers seem to give such as....0-60 in 5.7 that's quick!!!! A high 13's or low 14 1/4 mi maybe, thats really quick!!! Anyway I agree that many mags poo poo the car a bit..But our day will come I'm sure that a 275-300h.p. mini will be coming next year.....c'mon Randeeeeee!!!!!!!! Join the h.p. wars, it's all for grins anyway

 

Ryan, I think Davbret is "aight" just ribbing him ... the traitor!

He's a big boy, maybe, he can suffer through the poking.
It's time for him to maybe move on to his Z3/Mroadster Forums.

And if he'd like to consider my ribbing as jealousy, that's fine with me. Consider me jealous, sure... but I still have my cooper.

Anyways..
Like I said before...
The Madness Hype is over, and they seem to know it. Too Bad eh? Their 15 minutes are up. It was good for a moment. Fun Stuff really! They overhyped their MINI ... beyond this event. Now if they want to make something REALLY Special out of it... offer the same mods used on that track at HALF that price!

 

cool doug

we are all big boys here :smile:

 

>>The Madness Hype is over, and they seem to know it. Too Bad eh? Their 15 minutes are up. It was good for a moment. Fun Stuff really! They overhyped their MINI ... beyond this event. Now if they want to make something REALLY Special out of it... offer the same mods used on that track at HALF that price!
>>

Not sure where you are coming from and why you feel the need to bash these guys unless:

1. They wouldn’t sponsor you
2. You’re in with another Vendor and trying to cause problems
3. Your Jealous and want attention
4. You wish you had 208hp at the wheels without NOS

My advice to you is, be more professional. I think it took allot of guts to show up at this event considering the development time was short and competition was very stiff, competition that has massive resources IE. COMPTECH etc..

Then to pull off a 3rd result was amazing. You would think that if you were just a normal Mini Owner you would be happy that the type of car you owned did so well. Guess number 2 above fits you.

 

>>>>The Madness Hype is over, and they seem to know it. Too Bad eh? Their 15 minutes are up. It was good for a moment. Fun Stuff really! They overhyped their
>>Not sure where you are coming from and why you feel the need to bash these guys unless:
>>
>>1. They wouldn’t sponsor you
Why would they?

>>2. You’re in with another Vendor and trying to cause problems
That's Asssanine

>>3. Your Jealous and want attention
No on either.

>>4. You wish you had 208hp at the wheels without NOS
If I wished for that, I'd have purchased a stronger car... Like an MCoupe or M3 so that's another Moot Point you've made.

WHAT I said had nothing to do with the actual event, bravo to them... it was the hype geared towards us as consumers.... that evaporated AFTER the event.
No more words.

 

Oh and by the way MCSHP I enjoyed your site, the opening graphic is very sweet.

 

>>>>1. They wouldn’t sponsor you
>>Why would they?

From what I understand you have asked on several occasions.
>>
>>>>2. You’re in with another Vendor and trying to cause problems
>>That's Asssanine

---Looks that way, why else are you wasting your breath. Plus you have vendor names all over your site.


>>>>3. Your Jealous and want attention
>>No on either.

---Better rethink this one.


>>>>4. You wish you had 208hp at the wheels without NOS
>>If I wished for that, I'd have purchased a stronger car... Like an MCoupe or M3 so that's another Moot Point you've made.

---So why are you in the performance section again?

>>WHAT I said had nothing to do with the actual event, bravo to them... it was the hype geared towards us as consumers.... that evaporated AFTER the event.
>>No more words.

--Why do you think that this was hype? Were you there? Have you driven this particular Mini? These were real tests. Some were not as accurate as they would have liked because they simply ran out of time. For instance the 0-60 times and the head and cross winds. These tests were ran under the strictest rules, they used all the same fuel, had to pick from a selection of tires etc.

Don’t get this mixed up with any ole mag article where you can say just about anything you want. These figures all except the horse power ratings are verified.

I also think if you e-mailed Madness they would produce the dyno sheet that shows 208 at the crank.

Give credit where credit is due and stop the bashing. This is not high school.

 

>>
>>
>>>>>>1. They wouldn’t sponsor you
>>>>Why would they?
>>
>>From what I understand you have asked on several occasions.

And where do you get this information?


>>>>>>2. You’re in with another Vendor and trying to cause problems
>>>>That's Asssanine
>>
>>---Looks that way, why else are you wasting your breath. Plus you have vendor names all over your site.
Vendor names on my site, very observant, now does that mean I am "IN" with them? In a certain respect sure, I like their products and they have given me permission to put their logos on my site.

>>>>>>3. Your Jealous and want attention
>>>>No on either.
>>
>>---Better rethink this one.
Your instigating this one is merely an amusement.

>>>>>>4. You wish you had 208hp at the wheels without NOS
>>>>If I wished for that, I'd have purchased a stronger car... Like an MCoupe or M3 so that's another Moot Point you've made.
>>
>>---So why are you in the performance section again?

I am here because I have an interest in what's new, what's coming, what's happening, and what's happened. Check the other sections, I have posted in more than just here.

>>>>WHAT I said had nothing to do with the actual event, bravo to them... it was the hype geared towards us as consumers.... that evaporated AFTER the event.
>>>>No more words.
>>
>>--Why do you think that this was hype? Were you there?
NO, were you? And does being there change anything?

>>>--Have you driven this particular Mini?
No, have you and if so, how does that relate?

>>>--These were real tests. Some were not as accurate as they would have liked because they simply ran out of time.

Of course they were, it is obvious from the PRINTED MEDIA.

>>>--For instance the 0-60 times and the head and cross winds. These tests were ran under the strictest rules, they used all the same fuel, had to pick from a selection of tires etc.
And....

>>Don’t get this mixed up with any ole mag article where you can say just about anything you want. These figures all except the horse power ratings are verified.
Um, Duh.


>>I also think if you e-mailed Madness they would produce the dyno sheet that shows 208 at the crank.
I am not DISPUTING their Findings.

I could restate my statements, but you obviously have some sort of ties to Madness and it would be furthing a moot point.

 

Condensing a bit to the point:


I have driven the Madness car on the track and I do test parts for them on occasion.

I am not saying go with this or go with that. I just think your commitments to Davbret and others were uncalled for. There was allot of effort put in this by Madness. Just because they did not get 1st place you act like they came in last place.

No one failed, no one dropped the ball. You are just looking for something to complain about.

Bottom line, keep the crappy commitments to yourself.

 

mightyMiniz, exactly what is wrong with you? I don't get it. Unfullfilled hype because the 0 - 60 and the 1/4 mile times in a comprehensive test weren't to your liking. Sounds like a serious small johnson problem. I think you might need a funny car. Think it would suit you quite well.

As for the Car and Driver Shootout, I think the Madness showing was great. Especially, in the area for which I bought my MCS, handling. Regarding your comments about the $44K price tag, the average price for the field was $45K. If you look at the price specs, you'll see that "only" $8,800 was spent on engine/transmission mods. Those mods directly effecting 1/4 times. Heck, there is $5,000 in there for body/interior. I haven't and won't spend money for that, but that is an honest accounting. Take the time to read up.

Now as for the times themselves. Again, helpful if you read the article and maybe watched the show on Speed Channel. The reading of the times were generated at the beginning (obviously) of the complete continuous run. This included the road course (first) and braking (first). Though more than one run was used, only the fastest overall run is listed. The article says that in many cases there were faster 0 -60 and 1/4 mile times, but they aren't shown. The times shown are the ones generated during the run which gave the fastest overall time. The article refers to their web site for a complete list of the runs, but I was unable to find them.

Another thing to take into consideration when viewing these numbers, is that it is one driver on one day during one run, not even on a drag strip. Now mightyMiniz if you want to hang it all out there based on that, I believe I have a pretty good idea about the quality of your credibility.

I have had many dealings with Mini Madness. I trackday my car, because that's what MINIs mean to me. My car is a handfull for the big dogs out there and I'm grinning from ear to ear. I've had many owners of very expensive marques come up to me to learn more about my very fast "flying brick".

I loved the performance and results of the Mini Madness car in the Car and Driver shootout. Over-hyped I think not. Go ask some of the M3's, 911's, Vette's, etc. that I am running against. That's with a lot of Madness mods, but not all that were on the challenge car. Heck, bring on more.

Remember, funny cars.

 

At least Madness had the product and the courage to enter a magazine with their product, and it payed off. There isn't another company that has a visible motorsport program right now other than MINI Madness. Others dabble here and there, but Madness supplies many parts for some of the Grand-Am runners as well.

I'm still baffled as to why some people feel the need to harp on them for not pulling through when the game is so early. We should be applauding them, because there is no doubt they have learned from this, as well as in the the racing and that trinkles down directly to the product they sell to us.

 

Hahahah You guys.

I made < and will say it again, my comments based on the FALL of HYPE. They performed well with other people's parts. I never discredited them for placing 3rd. Or even participation.

My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!

you must be attempting to read something that is not there.

The event is over, and one would expect the Hype to continue. They made it into 3rd, which is great! And even better for every manufacturer who had their parts on their car. Considering it was a Conglomorate Vehicle.

Please stop trying to insinuate or instigate something that is not there.

And because you obviously have a hard time absorbing comments...
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!

 

>>My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
>>

Fastest FWD and faster than most AWD/RWD cars through the road course in a field of strong competitors.

I, as well as many others on this board, will tell you Madness lived up to the HYPE and it's a great article

 

>>It also said the MINI had the shortest brake length, but I saw that one other car had shorter...hmmm...

There was a typo in the article, but if you look at the charts of the track performance, you'll see the MINI does indeed have the shortest FWD stopping distance.

 

The Hype hit it's peak too soon and faded too fast. The only thing fueling it now is this thread...

Get it?

 

>>>>My comments were based on the HYPE that has faded much like the lack lustered article written about the entire event!
>>>>
>>
>>Fastest FWD and faster than most AWD/RWD cars through the road course in a field of strong competitors.
>>
>>I, as well as many others on this board, will tell you Madness lived up to the HYPE and it's a great article
>>


Speaking of which... I decided to go re-read the thing again with a comb... Anyone notice the comment at the end? To paraphrase:

In the road course, the Corvette beat the fastest car of the shootout, the S2000, by 1.3 sec.

Which means the vette only beat the MCS by 0.7 sec. ....the fastest car ??

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