It seems as though the car should be quicker than the numbers say, especially with 250h.p. on tap. It has to be the gear ratios because 2700lbs. and 250h.p. should be very quick...and I'm sure it is. But the 0-60times and 1/4 mi times are dissapointing. I know it's been done to death and I DO NOT STREET RACE, but getting my but kicked even on paper by a focus svt just makes me ill :eek:
I know that isn't realistic yet but it's fun to dream.......... a real sleeper stomping and romping on ...boxters :lol: ??

Your mini has 250HP? :eek:

damn 250 hp in the pocket rocket, and u still think its slow?

buy an enzo man :grin:

Hi Minifletch

Hhmmm...250hp eh I think possibly some one sold you a bunch of BS did you dyno the car?
My baby has a dynod 250hp with N2O and tha car is....... sooo fasst...seriously it kicks ass so bad
the only thing that felt faster was a porsche Turbo. my partners NSX actualy feels slow....what gives.

peter

I wish I had 250! I am referring to the recent supertuner shootout article not my car. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I read the article and was suprised by the 1/4mi time 15.4 I think it was.....? Although the madd mini did get the best braking and roadcoarse time!!!! :cool:

Yeah, It was dissapointing when I read the article also. But I believe someone mentioned already that it was due to some wild wind factor on the day of testing. There is a video of the actual car in motion, and man is it a beautiful sight. And I don't think our S needs to be the fastest - just faster.

I'm pretty sure those numbers were screwed up. I believe I've seen close to 15.4 sec. 1/4 mile times for stock MCS's.
The numbers in the article just can't be right.

Again, :razz: there were massive head winds going down the drag straightway and the magazine editors did not compensate by running the course both directions to cancel out the forceful wind. Cars like the MINI, without the graces of aerodynamics on their side, suffered due to this heavy wind. Just look at most of the FWD entries (pulling into a headwind is much harder than being pushed [FWD vs RWD]) and you'll see much slower times than you'd expect. :cool:

R

I am not scerd.. no way, Minis equiped with N2O are capable of 13 sec. 1/4 miles, lowest seen is 13.4. I am sure all cars in that shootout suffered a lot, but the mini, with its high drag coefficient (0.86? maby) took a beating. Bottom line is that is one damn fast car.[LIST]

They didn't actually run at a dragstrip, rather the numbers were interpolated from GPS data. :roll:

FWIW, the Cooper S drag coefficient is listed as 0.35. Not great, but not a brick either. The New Beetle is 0.38. Subaru's WRX is 0.33 for the sedan, and 0.38 for the wagon.

I had some free time at work and pulled as many numbers on the MCS and other cars in its "class" and a few out of its class. I put the data in a chart and (drumrole pls) here it is.

Make/Model _HP/Torque _¼ mile/ speed _0-60/60-0 _200ft skidpad

Mini Cooper S _163/155 _15.3@ 91.8 _7.1sec/ 123ft. _0.91g

Neon SRT4 _215/245 _14.3@ 97.13 _5.9sec/ 137ft. _0.85g

Subaru WRX _300/300 _13.52@ 98.91 _5.22sec/ 134ft. _0.92g

Mitsu Lancer Evo _271/273 _13.59@ 100.06 _5.25sec/ 127ft. _0.94g

Ford Focus SVT _170/145 _16.38@ 83.72 _8.45sec/ 129ft. _0.88g

Toyota Celica GT-S _180/130 _16.02@ 86.29 _8.03sec/ 136ft. _0.89g

Acura RSX Type-S _200/142 _15.71@ 89.85 _7.58sec/ 139ft. _0.87g

Honda Civic Si _160/132 _16.44@ 83.00 _8.70sec/ 150ft. _0.81g

Mazdaspeed Protégé _170/160 _16.01@ 86.18 _8.05sec/ 126ft. _0.88g

Nissan Sentra SE-R _175/180 _15.83@ 86.27 _7.94sec/ 242ft. _0.86g

Hyundai Tiberon GT _170/181 _16.28@ 83.72 _8.48sec/ 228ft. _0.84g

Volkswagon Jetta GLI _200/195 _16.06@ 85.72 _8.44sec/ 136ft. _0.81g

Volkswagon T BeetleS _180/173 _15.20@ 91.60 _7.10sec/ 130ft. _0.87g

Pontiac Vibe GT _180/130 _15.80@ 90.50 _7.60sec/ 128ft. _0.84g

PT Cruiser Turbo _215/245 _15.75@ 89.30 _7.20sec/ N/A _0.82g

Porsche Boxster S _258/229 _13.76@ 102.08 _5.30sec/ 112ft. _0.93g

Dodge Viper RT/10 _500/525 _11.77@ 123.63 _3.90sec/ 97ft. _N/A

Corvette z06 _405/400 _12.44@ 116.54 _4.29sec/ 105ft. _0.98g

Porsche 911 GT 2 _456/457 _12.09@ 119.90 _3.77sec/ 107ft. _N/A

All Data is compiled from Popular Mechanics, Motor Trend, Car and Driver and Road and Track magazines. The term N/A represents data not available.

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Power-to-Weight ratios would be interesting as well.

Thanks.

I'm driving an S with far fewer mods and Goodyear 17"runflats.My car has beaten 15 second 1/4 miles on a 90 degree day.

OK here ya go.


Make/Model___LBS. per HP ratio
Mini Cooper S____15.4 lbs.
Neon SRT4___13.6 lbs.
Subaru WRX___10.9 lbs.
Mitsu Lancer Evo___11.8 lbs.
Ford Focus SVT___16.6 lbs.
Toyota Celica GT-S___14.3 lbs.
Acura RSX Type-S___13.9 lbs.
Honda Civic Si___17.0 lbs.
Mazdaspeed Protégé___16.5 lbs.
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V___15.8 lbs.
Hyundai Tiberon GT___18.0 lbs.
Volkswagon Jetta GLI___15.7 lbs.
Volkswagon T Beetle S___16.7 lbs.
Pontiac Vibe GT___15.6 lbs.
PT Cruiser Turbo___14.9 lbs.
Porsche Boxster S___11.6 lbs.
Dodge Viper RT/10___7.07 lbs.
Corvette z06___7.70 lbs.
Porsche 911 GT 2___6.96 lbs.

It also said the MINI had the shortest brake length, but I saw that one other car had shorter...hmmm...

Wind as a factor.. yeah but :roll:

Wouldn't the high wind affect the numbers most as the speed rose?

IMO on the article /madd mini...
Where's the beef? (beef = torque) The numbers told me that the mini lost all of its torque down low. Two things... The trap speed and the 1/4. The 94 mph is way fast for an MCS. So it made up time on the far end where the wind would hurt...???? Either a big smokey burnout like a novice, or the madd mini lost its torque.

:sad: It shoulda been fast though ::confused:: maybe the clutched liquified.

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What happened to their car??

All that hype and now ZERO

Performance was mediocre at the best....

So in my opinion, I think Madness failed/dropped the ball

Good Job

Overall the article was poorly written and the performance was not well defined. There are a few instances where statements in the article conflicted the actual results posted. I still don't buy the head wind theory either. The car was basically running stock numbers with almost 100 extra horsepower and a big decrease in weight. How high were these winds 70-80 mph? Even so, mini-madness only claimed there car was capable of 5.7sec in 0-60, which is still not that good.

I remember reading 50mph headwinds somewhere.

>>What happened to their car??
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>>All that hype and now ZERO
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>>Performance was mediocre at the best....
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>>So in my opinion, I think Madness failed/dropped the ball
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>>Good Job


Mediocre? What exactly are you smoking Doug, cause I want some! :lol: 3rd, behind some seriously tuned/turbo'd, larger displacement engines...and you think that was dropping the ball? I guess unless the car ran an 8 sec 1/4 you wouldn't be happy, eh?

And the winds were gusting, not blowing, thereby causing intermitant problems either in the beginning/middle/end/all three of the run.

And they did have the shortest braking distance, but messed up their own records in print. In the details they show the shorter distance, but the quick specs show a different run for some odd reason.

R

the MINI is not going to be the best in every category...no car will...unless you are looking at the Porsche :grin:

I also saw the $44,000.00 price tag on the Madness-mobile...I don't think I would ever spend that much for a MINI but opt for something more substantial...

I think the road course time best represents the MINIs strengths

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>>Mediocre? What exactly are you smoking Doug, cause I want some! :

haha man..dont listen to doug..he thinks it will take a million dollars to put a M3 engine in the mini
:lol: :lol: :lol:

yes they dropped the ball... Madness hyped up their Mini...

HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

and when their balloon was deflated... they disappeared... to say no more about their Mini..

that is dropping the ball

go buy another Mini if you wish to continue playing on our field.

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Hahahahah Ryan. :razz:
A million $$ is right!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

So ... what happened? :mad: