Any tuners have the software for this already, this higher octane fuel would allow us to run boost safely while paying less than regular gas prices at the pump....anyone experimented with it?

 

I have not done this, but I did want to mention that the alleged cost savings is really not a reason to do this. You get WAY less MPG from E85... it just doesn't contain as much energy as gasoline. I'm not sure if running it in a car that requires high octane fuel would be the best of ideas.... but look into it.

 

Uh....you do realize while paying less at the pump you are also loosing about 25% of your mpg due to the lower energy value of ethanol. Economically it will probably cost you more $ than E10 or straight gas.

Also an E85 conversion would require more than just a software tune, but replacing fuel lines and delivery components since those plastic components can/will be dissolved by the ethanol.

Don't do anything stooopid before you do all the research.

 

People get all caught up in myths there is several local cars to me running this and my lexus as well. all I need to know is who can custom make a software the rest is figured out, here is a link you can read on about some of the myth's out there.
http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Page?template=Myths

cheers,

 

The only "myth" that I said was that you'd get less mileage out of it really... and #10 confirms this. 5-15% loss of MPG.

I'm not discouraging it though... more power to you. Alternative fuels are the way of the future. I'm waiting for a hybrid conversion kit that can be retrofitted to a mini

 

Not to mention the fact that the only reason it costs less is the policy to subsidize ethanol production increasing food costs across the world. So are you really saving if you look at the total costs involved, not just the numbers on the pump.

 

" Today’s vehicles (since mid 1980s) have fuel systems which are made to withstand corrosive motor fuels and rust from water. Also today’s distilling processes are superior to way back when. We now have better techniques for drying out ethanol or reducing the water content."

There is no replacing of lines involved. thats a widespread myth, though a lot of people run tefflon lines when they build their cars there is plenty of us on ruber lines and stock tanks. No problems.

 

Sorry I dont care about global food costs(since we can't control them), because the U.S can't change the booming economies across the world. Weather we pump ethanok, or gas or air its all going to be the same at the end of the day. Only that instead of helping ourselfs at the pump we are screwing our selfs in the pump and getting screwed else where. But if you reallly want to know the corn used for eathanol is not the same corn used for the popcorn at your local movico.

So is there anyone that can write the software for it?

 

True, however, what feilds are being used to grow "ethanol" corn?

Somebody please help him find a turner.

 

1 BIG problem is that mini usa says that anything higher that 10% can cause damage to the fuel system?!?! so be carefull!

 

ever drive around the rural midwest farm land and find football field size piles of corn from LAST years harvest just rotting away? Just take a drive off an interstate crossing IL, IA, IN, KS, NE and others to find the true waste.

 

I also understand the E85 conversions are not accepted/legal in the State of California. I think there is another state that considers it illegal to convert your engine; however, I'm not sure which state.

 

I see another myth on that page, an Arab guy with OPEC on his head. I think it's more true that AMERICAN oil companies are to blame for the artificial rise in oil prices... NOT Arabs!

Your car was built for 91 gasoline. @#$ing use it.

 

+1

 

SCICK,

You are so right, so many folks just repeat the myths. They will still be hoarding their corn when cellulosic ethanol is common. I wonder how many of these folks know Henry Ford 's early autos were ethanol burners, not gas. And that there is more than one mid-1980's heap running around the mid-west on ethanol/e85 for many years with over 300,000 miles on their original engines? I converted my big cars to e85, not the mini (yet) though. I had to buy my chips from Brazil back then. Here is one site you may want to contact: http://www.mye85kit.com/
If you want to know where to fuel: http://e85fuel.com/
Also here is a site to follow if you want to make your own ethanol someday: http://www.efuel100.com/
(I had to make my own still back when - yes you can get a permit from ATF to make ethanol in your home). Now I can find a station pumping it in most states, and I fuel with e85 every chance I get. Only problem I ever had was, on my first conversion I did not change my gas filter, and the cleaner ethanol stripped all the build-up off my gas tank and blocked the gas filter. Next conversion, I put a new filter on step-1!
I'm toying with the idea that my next conversion should be magnetic wheel motors, maybe on a MINI. Not cost effective to be sure. Some folks play golf, I just like to play with technology. And all the pieces are available to do a mag wheel conversion. I'm already running solar power into my home and selling the excess back to the electric company, and heating my water and home with solar. I fuel my C-12 Catepillar engine with Bio-diesel every chance I get. I figure on my mag wheel conversion I can "fuel" it from the excess solar I capture, use it for 60 mile or less trips, and use one of the ethanol vehicles for long trips. I would rather make our farmers rich(er) than some foreign country that hates us.
Support America (ie: each other), folks. SWITCH to something, first chance you get.

Good luck with your e85 conversion, SCICK, and don't worry about the MPG, a properly tuned turbo uses ethanol much more efficiently than a non-turbo and can get about the same MPG.

 

Why would i limit my self to 91 octane when i can make more power on ethanol for a fraction of the price of race gas?

 

The rise in prices is due to the fact that demand is greater than supply. Expensive GAS is here to stay, because China and India will continue to increase their rate of oil use. This is not a bubble in prices. We have to switch to other solutions to get our economy back on track. Multiple solutions will evolve in the end - cellulosic ethanol, CNG/fuel cells, conversion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to fuel. Engineered microbes that can produce fuel. Wind, solar, ocean wave power. The sooner the better.

 

Must I bring up that Indy cars use the stuff? A 3.5L NA V8 on ethanol making 650 hp! I think it is a great idea! I don't think we are causing any harm by trying to use more ethanol than we would be by continuing to use gas.

Jan should make a turbo stroker that runs off of ethanol.

 

If you want to get your economy back on track (your economy - I am in Canada) then what were you thinking buying a British car made by Germans from parts forged in Brazil?

Don't get me wrong, I am all for massive algae farms producing the world's supply of ethanol, and I assume that one day we will all be driving cars fueled by it, but we have to think realistically. If everyone stopped shopping at Wal-Mart tomorrow, China would go in to economic turmoil, oil would drop to $50 a barrel, and the US economy would restart itself, with manufacturing shifting back to home soil due to the lower cost of doing business, creating plastic goods made from now-cheap oil, and eager labour willing to take a bit of a pay cut if it means keeping food on their plate.

 

That's like saying, why limit myself to 110v electricity when some countries have 220?

Oh, wait... your stuff was built for 110...

 

I stopped shopping at Walmart 2 years ago! I won't set foot in one. I wish others would read up on them and do the same! They are worse for the economy and small business than increasing oil prices, thats for sure!

 

That's completely different! When they say that a car is designed for premium fuel, it is mainly an ecu map thing. You can tune the car for 87 octane as easily as you can tune if for e85.

 

nothing but $80 toasters = low standard of living for average income earners

option to buy $15 toasters = higher standard of living, or $65 extra to give to your favorite charity if you like

Wal*Mart rocks, IMHO.

Choosing a lower efficiency production and distribution mechanism (the fabled "small business") over a higher efficiency production and distribution mechanism (Chinese manufacturing and Wal*Mart) is little different than choosing to drive an 8MPG SUV over a 40MPG economy car. If you have a small business that can't justify its prices/costs on the basis of higher quality, higher service levels or lower prices, then you're in the wrong small business.

I own a small business. And I know how to differentiate my products/services from commodities. And my small business remains competitive by sourcing supplies and raw materials from the most cost effective source.

But it's a (mostly) free country - and everyone can choose to vote for their preferred economic model using their wallets.

 

Attachment 35061Not really - our houses have 110 and 240 volt plugs (stoves, dryers, air conditioners, etc), just like the dual voltages in Europe.
I'm with you on Wal-Mart, it's a world economy and we have to compete.

I was thinking it is better than the alternative - an American car with parts made by Canadians

I am not against buying foreign goods, I'm just against foreign oil from nations that fund terrorists, with the money we paid for the oil.

 

If I wanted to read a bunch of lame opinions on ethanol I'd tune into FOX News. Anyone care to actually answer the guy's original question?

Wait, wasn't your car built with a 15% larger S/C pulley? Why didn't you stick with that? Duuuuh.....