since I don't "deal" in drivers.....

 

This is disconcerting. I think a lot of people respect your experience and opinions, so to read this raises obvious questions. If you decide not to sell your car (although that seems too little too late), the Dinan canned tune offers modest gains, safety, and their backing no matter how it affects your individual car.

mb

 

I don't believe Dinan deals in anything with larger injectors than stock. MINIUSA and the dealer couldn't fix my issues with the factory 380's, I don't see how Dinan will. This seems to affect all cars differently so it is not easy to peg as one thing.

 

I said that a few post ago and it seems PGT has disappeared, I wonder why

 

I guess your reading comprehension needs some work. He made it very clear to you. Show your dyno sheet and he will tell you everything there is....

are you that scared to show it?

 

My guess is he's waiting for you to post a dyno sheet. Since your friend is into Photo-shoping dyno sheets it probably wouldn't be believed anyway.

 

lol.. looks like others are thinking the same thing

 

Right....the stock idle issues are temperature related (at least in my two R53's). It's hard to replicate and out of ten trips to the dealer you're likely to have ten 'could not replicate' responses on the work order. BTDT.

From the PM's I've gotten in the last few days in combination with a few conversations I've had, I think I have a handle on the issues I had. Perhaps there's a good solution that involves only some honest communication about expectations from the tuner....deciding how far to push is based off street or track use.

Ahh, ever the drama lama. The only reason I care to share my experience is to further this community. The only reason you want me to share my experience is to tear someone down. Think about that and get back to me and if you have something positive to share in this discussion, I'll do the same. I honestly don't five a **** about your dyno chart beyond the inherent irony of you wanting to be involved in this discussion without ever having shared your own results.

I was in the garage all day putting a JCW front brake kit and new HPS pads on the rear of golden_child's car. it took me longer than expected because <shocker> the shop he took it to <cough>Behe/LDG</cough> didn't flush the system like he paid him to do 45k miles ago. Behe supposedly put ATE Super Blue in....the crap we were pushing out was dark brown and opaque. Two complete flushes with Valovoline SynDOT4 later and it was nice and pretty and clear. Proper operating brakes are a good thing to have....he's hitting Thunderbolt in two weeks.

 

Dinan takes a different route to getting the engine more fuel in the form of a different fuel pump. It's more expensive and most say it's overkill, but it's their way to deal with the issue. Who knows - maybe with all of their $ for R&D they found problems with larger injectors. We can't say. I hope it works out for you.

mb

 

I wasn't looking to dig up any details that PGT doesn't want to share - it's none of my business. We can all read between the lines and figure it out.

mb

 

can you?

you must be really good

 

Just to clarify, Dinan says they change the Fuel Pressure Reguator not the pump.

 

It's my day job.

Yes, this might be correct. I'm a mechanical idiot, so I don't know what they took out of my car and replaced, but I thought it had something to do with the pump.

Hopefully those with issues will get them corrected. I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

mb

 

what's needed is honest, no bull data on IDC's for 380's and 440's with a full setup (head/header/cam/exhaust/injectors). When I asked what the IDC's were way back, the reply was "IDC?". I should have known then what I know now.

It's teh norm in the Subaru community to put in a Walbro fuel pump and run the stock 535cc injectors up to 100%. As long as you have fuel pressure and fuel volume and it's not leaning out, no issues. It seems when running 440's on a MINI, it's fine for WOT dyno pulls but the ECU can't compensate for the 33% larger than stock pulses at part throttle, part load scenarios (not to mention idling).

Again...this is me theorizing...I don't have all the answers (or any perhaps). The guys with the tuning software know the answers and my guess is some of this is considered 'proprietary' so a level of trust is involved. When you trust and then your car runs like poop, one has a decision to make. Unfortunately for teh MINI community, the list is short of tuners with Dimsport so one is beholden to the best available. Dimsport is crude compared to what was available for my Subaru. Some times, the best isn't enough and someone needs to raise the game.

 

We need a market research and analysis firm specializing in information technology, telecommunications and consumer technology?

I Don't Care for that, maybe what we need is an Indigent Defense Coordinator since we go broke paying Interest During Construction. But they better not fit me for a Indwelling Catheter since I don't have a Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma. Or we should attend Institut de Cognitique for a International Development Course in order to understand Inter Discipline Checks when we visit Industrial Design Centre in Bombay.

Of course all this flows thru an Internet data center only to be sampled by the DJ IDC.

Hey Dan, whats IDC mean in the context of your post?

 

Pardon the ignoramus: what the hell is an IDC? See - it's terms like that which force me to buy canned stuff with warranties! I get less power but at the same time I feel less powerless. Hmm, interesting irony. I think I WILL keep my day job!

So, using my superior reading between the lines skills (watch and learn, people), your theory is that it might be safer for a daily driver to increase the fuel pressure via the regulator instead of just by throwing in large injectors.

And continuing to read even further between the lines (now I'm just showing off), it also seems that you're saying you wish you had this knowledge (or at least applied it) before going ahead with any number of combinations of engine modifications.

And to really go overboard, you're saying that this open conversation and data would have been helpful to you and possibly others.

But as I said, we can all read between the lines to figure that out. We're all that good.

If there are others with issues, I hope it works out for them before they decide to part out their cars and sell them.

mb

 

injector duty cycle. in other words, how hard are you making the injectors work...how much overhead. Are teh 380's running 100% IDC? If no, why the need for 440's? If yes, what IDC's are you running on 440's?

 

Oh I'm the drama lama? If you are truly interested in furthering this community you would say what you know regardless of me showing my dyno. What does my dyno have to do with your problems? And who has torn down vendors here? Best look in the mirror. I have nothing to hide, would post my dyno if you think it will help. Just not sure how it collaberates with your problems?

 

correct. I was told I needed 440's. Then, when the car didn't run well at idle and kept getting P0172 codes (rich), I was told it was 'the O2 sensor. Or a bad lifter. Or, ________ (insert part costing $$ here).' I was also told an expensive tool was needed to check and see if the injectors were the issue (probably the correct answer, who knows). Not that the injectors themselves were bad but rather a tool with the capability to check on their duty cycle independently and also to see if they were scaling properly via the tune.

One sometimes gets to a point where it doesn't seem like a solution is in sight and having thrown good money after bad, it's time to move on. My threshold for that might be different than others. I don't become emotionally attached to cars (even something as fun as the MINI)...it's an easy call for me as I didn't feel the car would be at a level I wanted and I wasn't getting the answers I expected.

 

 

Well since my dyno dosen't even show 200 WHP I think it would be belived

 

Good come back

 

 

I quote again. My results from my vendor were favorable. This thread is about results from a vendor that were unfavorable. It seems you had the same type of unfavorable experience? No?

 

way to minimize it. what mods did you have? pulley/intake/exhaust? KISS always minimizes potential for problems. So, again, I say....why are you in this thread?