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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 08:11 AM
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Seriously, Jeff and I should have a GOOD pic up ASAP with our new adapter mounted to it. I will put it on the hot list for later today.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ADAMSALTAMINI
Seriously, Jeff and I should have a GOOD pic up ASAP with our new adapter mounted to it. I will put it on the hot list for later today.

Will that new adapter will be cheaper or in the same price range as the other one available?

BTW to the OP the numbers on the TMaps sensor on the intercooler pipe are:
0 261 230 134

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Old Jan 23, 2008 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowB00st
Will that new adapter will be cheaper or in the same price range as the other one available?

BTW to the OP the numbers on the TMaps sensor on the intercooler pipe are:
0 261 230 134

V 7535069 80-03
Thanks!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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I have a feeling the two MAP sensors are used for different things. One is probably used for the boost controller and the other [or both] used for the BOV operation. I would enjoy teasing both signals, seeing how the ECU uses them! I'm sure UNIchip already has a solid understanding of them, but it's also their job!
Most likely the manifold sensor is used for engine tuning under vacuum, and the tmap (pre throttlebody) is probably used for air density calculations / boost control. The bypass valve is most likely vacuum operated. Does anyone have a closeup picture of it?
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Most likely the manifold sensor is used for engine tuning under vacuum, and the tmap (pre throttlebody) is probably used for air density calculations / boost control. The bypass valve is most likely vacuum operated. Does anyone have a closeup picture of it?
bypass is electrical...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Interesting!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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The bypass is electric just like the dv on the VW 2.0ts. Also, I'd be very surprised if bmw put two map sensors/ iat on the car. I think one is IAT and one is map. Also, your theory of one controlling map under vacuum and one controlling it under boost, why would it do that? The sensors are going to read near the same thing anyway, they're a foot apart.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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The bypass is electric just like the dv on the VW 2.0ts. Also, I'd be very surprised if bmw put two map sensors/ iat on the car. I think one is IAT and one is map. Also, your theory of one controlling map under vacuum and one controlling it under boost, why would it do that? The sensors are going to read near the same thing anyway, they're a foot apart.
That is how the BMW 335i works, anyway. On the 335i the manifold map sensor isn't calibrated to read boost, only vacuum.

The one before the throttle body is called a tmap sensor, meaning it reads boost and IAT. On the 335i it is used to control the boost system, as well as air density calculations for tuning when the manifold sensor is out of vacuum. We'll see if the R56 is similar once I probe the sensors.
 

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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OH MY GOD! YOU LINKED TO MY PHOTO WITHOUT ASKING! YOU ARE BANNED BANNED BANNED!!!!!!!
OH MY GOD! ADAM GOT FREE ADVERTISING!
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by a96bimmerm3
The bypass is electric just like the dv on the VW 2.0ts. Also, I'd be very surprised if bmw put two map sensors/ iat on the car. I think one is IAT and one is map. Also, your theory of one controlling map under vacuum and one controlling it under boost, why would it do that? The sensors are going to read near the same thing anyway, they're a foot apart.
By using to 5v sensors they get more resolution in tunning for both areas. So tunning should have been more precise.

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That is how the BMW 335i works, anyway. On the 335i the manifold map sensor isn't calibrated to read boost, only vacuum.

The one before the throttle body is called a tmap sensor, meaning it reads boost and IAT. On the 335i it is used to control the boost system, as well as air density calculations for tuning when the manifold sensor is out of vacuum. We'll see if the R56 is similar once I probe the sensors.
Well I think, the TMAP is there for the boost controll only since we got screwed with a MAF sensor too. I want an euro spec ECU lol to get rid of it.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowB00st
By using to 5v sensors they get more resolution in tunning for both areas. So tunning should have been more precise.



Well I think, the TMAP is there for the boost controll only since we got screwed with a MAF sensor too. I want an euro spec ECU lol to get rid of it.
Yeah that MAF sucks. Do you know if the wideband is different than the EU model? Has anyone connected OBDII scanning software to their mini?

My R56 tuning dream would be that the wideband o2 sensor plays a significant role in wide open throttle fuel enrichment like it does with the 335i.
 

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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 02:25 AM
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Could the EU ECU have more scope for tuning because it doesn't use a MAF?
 
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben-Ja-Min
Could the EU ECU have more scope for tuning because it doesn't use a MAF?
I don't believe so, but running a wideband closed loop does make for smoother operation, and generally makes the car easier to modify. Of course you also remove a restriction in the intake stream which is never a bad thing.

But the US R56 might run fuel off the wideband also, I'll have to see!
 

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Old Apr 13, 2013 | 01:17 AM
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Hi does anyone know if you can get a new map sensor
O ring seal from the mini dealers ?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2013 | 06:33 AM
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Does anyone know the diameter of the
hole the maf air sensor goes into.
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