Drivetrain Double-walled airbox
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Well, having been at this for a while, I've discovered that "ice cold" won't keep your champagne at the required temperature to enjoy. My best experience is measuring temps close to ambient. All my stuff is "passive" in comparison to meth/water and other active systems that can achieve charge temperatures below ambient.
As Dr Obnxs has shown many times, the MCS draws about 400cfm at redline, which means the air isn't hanging about in the airbox for long!! I'm simply trying to help it out in "round town" conditions where airbox temperatures really start to climb quickly at rest. Yes, they do fall quickly once moving too, but limiting the resting temp rise must help in recovery (hard to measure, but what most people are perceiving I think.)
As Dr Obnxs has shown many times, the MCS draws about 400cfm at redline, which means the air isn't hanging about in the airbox for long!! I'm simply trying to help it out in "round town" conditions where airbox temperatures really start to climb quickly at rest. Yes, they do fall quickly once moving too, but limiting the resting temp rise must help in recovery (hard to measure, but what most people are perceiving I think.)
I can see where this could have a practical application. I doubt it would improve performance at driving speeds where an equilibrium would be reached sooner or later, but when idling and decreased airflow would result in the eventual raising of the airbox's temperature, the insulation could delay it until driving speeds are reached again.
Keep us posted on those numbers!
Keep us posted on those numbers!
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I've seen those photos before. I have some questions:
1. Did you ever measure temperatures on this system?
2. Do have any sense that gold is more thermally reflective than silver?
3. If so, what is the relative reflectivity, but ultimately, what is the relative heat rejection factor?
4. This gold stuff only works via reflection, but still allows heat by conduction.
5. How does it compare to Al-clad fiberglass insulation?
6. How does it compare to a double-walled airbox?
Sure has massive bling factor though!
1. Did you ever measure temperatures on this system?
2. Do have any sense that gold is more thermally reflective than silver?
3. If so, what is the relative reflectivity, but ultimately, what is the relative heat rejection factor?
4. This gold stuff only works via reflection, but still allows heat by conduction.
5. How does it compare to Al-clad fiberglass insulation?
6. How does it compare to a double-walled airbox?
Sure has massive bling factor though!
no matter......
3. The site says it reflects up to 78% of all radiant heat with continuous operating temperatures of 450 degrees centigrade. Withstands 675°F of radiant heat for a minimum of 8 hours.
3. The site says it reflects up to 78% of all radiant heat with continuous operating temperatures of 450 degrees centigrade. Withstands 675°F of radiant heat for a minimum of 8 hours.
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I do not have before and after measurements ( plus one always argues that
the "conditions" vary between measurements so the results are suspect).
Their site states the claims. Their stuff is at the Rolex etc. I don't know if this is the 'exact' stuff NASA uses.
Try ducting the glove box AC to the Double
Air Box gap
the "conditions" vary between measurements so the results are suspect).
Their site states the claims. Their stuff is at the Rolex etc. I don't know if this is the 'exact' stuff NASA uses.
Try ducting the glove box AC to the Double
Air Box gap
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Now that's a cool idea! Especially as I don't have a glove box, so the air is just being wasted currently. Of course, I never run my air conditioner either, so maybe it's just ambient air in that duct.
The horsepower drag of the AC can be compensated for by reducing weight
thus keeping the power to weight ratio at least constant. But the actual pay off would be better cornering while getting the extra power ( or take a lot of laxatives the day before )
thus keeping the power to weight ratio at least constant. But the actual pay off would be better cornering while getting the extra power ( or take a lot of laxatives the day before )
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