I totally agree. But it seems a little rediculus that John Behe knows and preaches that... and is still being a bully about dyno numbers from the philly tuning session. I've seen the philly dyno numbers and they look pretty good to me. That is a totally different conversation though.

I was simply trying to point out the irony of people taking things out of context. I don't know why the mini world is so intent on selling on the negative of your competitors parts... in my world you sell based off of your abilities and success.

 

i only believe in the #s. not butt dynos. cuz human brains could be very very tricky sometimes....

 

I don't believe anything. Delta's can be very easily skewed without anyone knowing. IE Run the a/c for the initial test, and turn it off for the after test. There are MANY little tricks like this one to gain a larger delta.

 

To be fair... there is something to be said about drive-ability and throttle response. But it's naive for anyone to think that only 1 person on the country can produce these results. As any decent tuner will tell you all dynos are different... but delta's are a comparable gain. Break them down into percentage gained and you've got as near as you can get to apples vs. apples.

Competition is a good thing for everyone... even the vendors. Not recognizing competition and badmouthing it to try and add clout to your own products... now that's just infantile. Your products should stand on their own.

 

so how do you explain 6-10 customers standing there watching you do the dyno runs?

 

seriously... what customer paying for a dyno tune would let that happen? I don't even run the ac on my car... i sure as hell wouldn't let some one put it on a dyno without air moving across the front of the car... and rev the **** out of it with the ac on. wow.

 

btw....Johan
is your car done yet?

 

LOL, you know the answer...and all I'm saying is that there are "Tricks" that can be done to skew deltas. I'm by NO MEANS accusing anyone of anything.

BTW Is this thing still going to be tomorrow? I was just in atlanta lastnight.

 

Yeah it's a go. If you want you can give me a call to get details. Send me a PM.

 

Absoluteley we start at 8:00 with the SpiderX

 

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For the record:

The car that pulled the 166whp on our dyno had a JCW head. The customer also had a Wegner (DMH) head in his trunk, which was from a previous motor. We have never dynoed the Wegner head, but by looking at the port work (which, admittedly is no way to evaluate it), it should make good power. They have not gone as far as the RMW head, but they've done a lot of work.

 

Agree but for some reason the approach is that of the HIGHLANDER movie - "there can be only one" .

Perhaps we should get them all swords ? It would make a great event at the Dragon.

 

Damn! This is right next door to where I got everything powder coated! 10 minutes from the house! See y'all there tomorrow...after I pick up Icarus from Greenville, SC and haul booty back to town.

 

Good luck tomorrow can't wait to hear about the results.

 

$500 for a belt and tensioner ! After driving 11 hrs you should have at least been giving a deal . Or was this the deal?

I got my LSD, clutch and flywheel installed from Danny at MiniCorsa for that.

Sorry Spider.

Longboard

 

It's 5:41 AM and I am up drininking coffee .... damn time change..... very excited about today.... I bought a 99 C5 vette convertible a few days ago.... great car.... but when I got back in the Mini last night...... it is still a great car.... really looking forward to this tune

 

While that is true, that's not exactly the whole truth, is it?

You had a clutch that was pretty far gone. So much so that during one of the dyno runs the clutch completely let go around 5000rpms.

During another run it appeared that the drive belt was slipping. So, as always, the tensioner and belt were checked for problems. That was when it was discovered that the metal piece inside the spring on the tensioner was damaged. It could no longer be used to capture the spring tension so that the belt could easily be changed. This, of course, makes changing the belt significantly more complicated.

You had a less than ideal pulley on the supercharger. At one point DDM was called ask asked about the proper size pulley for the supercharger and it turned out to be one that you did have installed previously. I believe you were actually called after this and asked about the pulley sizes. As I remember it you used to have the properly sized pulley installed but had it swapped out with the smaller size pulley a short time prior to making the trip.

Another interesting thing I noted was that you had a Plasma Booster installed. I found this particularly interesting as I didn't think anyone was actually running one anymore as their effectiveness is questionable to say the least.

So, how do I know all of this? I was there and saw it all happen with my own eyes.

 

What is your point Mr Vimes?

Spider has openly apologized for taking a poor running car to John. On top of that he continues to speak respectfully of John.

Longboard

 

My point is to shed light on the whole truth and get rid of a lot of the half-truths that seem to flourish so readily in the MINI community. I'm sure a number of people would easily believe the whole story was what Bob previously posted about coming up and not getting anything but a bill for a new tensioner.

People seem a little too eager to believe everything they read here on NAM as the gospel truth. I don't think they realize that not all statements posted are of verifiable fact. So I'm hoping to enlighten those who are willing to listen.

 

So can anyone post their opinions on their revised ECU tuning?

 

its 1:30am and I am sure they will weigh in tomorrow

 

Actually I am going to be driving today while you fly home! LOL

Waylon and I had my car back on the ground with new clutch, flywheel, Quaiffe, RMW head, Juston's custom header and Miltek mod, Etc for less than 24hrs, (250mi) so "Just how High can we go?" was not highest on my list... toasting a new clutch would have hurt my feelings!

My grin comes from 190ft lbs / 227whp , car is spooky fast and pulling REAL strong at 7k. That throttle hesitation going away in conjunction with the new flywheel is shaweeeet! Not to mention the TQ!

Thanks again Bob for rounding us up, Jan for coming ourt and doing a great job, Way for being the roving mech at large and the guys at PFM for working a Sat for us! (My gawd what a race shop!)

More later ---- I got miles to do!

I'll let everyone else chime in but lets just say I was not the only one above the 225 mark!
And the best look of the day came from....... drum roll please.... watching the sad look of someone picking up 16whp by unplugging their UseLessChip! Misery loves company, been there, done that!

More later w pics....
Tim

 

I think everybody must be out enjoying there new found power

 

I've heard from a couple of the participants. Big power made by all. Plots to be posted ASAP.

 

Anyone with basic mods (15% pulley, CAI, exhaust) get above the magic 200 whp mark. I am looking forward to Jan tuning my car in the next week or so in L.A. Also. in December I will be in Atlanta for six nights - any MINI related activities Dec 16-22nd? - Thanks.