Nitrominis: Sorry for the mis-read last night. It was kind of late and I remember something about a bottle of wine that was empty ;-) But on the K&N thing, there will always be the debate, I know you switched yours out on your car, no offense taken! But we don't feel we hide the differences, including flow. I agree the K&N flows better (it is just at what cost.)

I think it is great that you are willing to share information and details. That is what this forum is all about. You aren't a bother to me or (I assume )the group. But also don't expect a bear hug either. (Trust me!-)

I hope you continue to post and share! Sorry if I was abrasive, I just felt there was a poke about the filter being cheap and worthless (not your words but mine.)

Hope to help you in the future if I can.

Thanks NAM!

 

You know what, if you would have come in here with a different attitude other than the one your putting on here,"I am a designer I know everything, quote "why should I listen to you guys" end quote, then maybe you would have recieved better responses. It's obvious you have worked on and designed stuff on these cars, but attitude is everything. Take for example your friend Sid, he is very well respected here for his knowledge and his attitude. Sorry if I sound abrasive, but some of this was directed at me personaly. Have a great day .

 

Nitro on a board this big there are always going to be people who will disagree with you. I wouldn't let it bother you.

I for one look forward to your comments and finding out more about your ideas and mods and I am sure there are others who feel the same way.

If you let the negative posts on this board drive you away, they have won.

If it was me I wouldn't let them.

Can't we just share ideas on NAM without so much Drama?

I know it's asking a lot.

 

Jan: Who would these guys be, making 180hp? I presume you're claiming they are the ones who drove Nitro off.

 

Phil,

You are NOT one of them but I can see why others like Andy, John and a few others don't post here any longer.

 

I had the alta on ny 2005 mcs and liked it. I went with Webb motorsports new cai with the ram air option.... ten times better! I am not a big M7 fan. I got their oil catch can and could not get it to work. the hoses were crappy and calapsed when the engine gets hot. I replaced all of the hoses with better quality tubing and still would not work... just my opinion... I could be right..

 

What kinds of problems were you having with the OCC? Actually the can has very little to do with how well it will work, only the installation will.

 

A check on the OCC threads here on NAM and you'd have found the "preferred" way to route an OCC. With diagrams, included! You can also find them on my website. Once you install it right, you don't get collapsed hoses, and you don't get oil in the IC. I'll swear on it.

 

I have two installed and they both work great....just like they are supposed to !

 

Hello again NAMists
After some very positive responses to my posts I have come to understand the need for more detailed DATA. As I do not always have the time to do this which inevitably leads to a flurry of questions. I thought perhaps my results based on testing would suffice. But most do not know me so it appears like a nubbie throwing ideas all over the place. I thought this site might help explain at least my comments on K & N filters.
http://www.knfilter.com/filter_facts.htm

Also by no means was I trying to put down the choices of parts or modification already made by other MINI enthusiasts. My opinions and comments are based by my testing and my conclusions.( using the scientific method) I have often read many posts on NAM to get an idea of things not to do to short cut to better options. I now have a few new MINI friends because of me posting here and hope to get many more.
Thank you

 

 

The warm and fuzzyness is making me nauseous

 

Why would I believe the marketing guys at K&N.com?

I don't doubt that you like the K&N products, but to only offer up their own website as proof of their superiority is a bit too much. Do a search for "foam air filter" and see what you get.

Glad to see you are enjoying NAM.

 

 

LOL

 

Love that page, that's why I own a K&N. I've already done a cleaning on it, about 9 months after purch, and I'll do another in a few more months. $15 cleaning kit, 30 min total process.

True, you don't have to believe what K&N writes, but if you read it, you'll be convinced. They use sound scientific reason and logic that the foam guys would never be able to use, because it would only show that K&N makes a superior product. Because their job is to sell foam, it's a conflict of interest.

If you still don't believe, then take note of what professionals are using in the racing industry.

http://www.knfilters.com/videos.htm

 

The arguement of a foam works better than a K&N when dirty is funny. Im not sure about the rest of you, but I usually take pride in keeping my cars runnng good and changing fluids/filters before theres a problem or its dirty. So a better running dirty filter is really useless to me. I will stick to my K&N.

 

And you are right. But I cannot find one that compares its foam product to other then a paper filter or a competitor foam filter? If you know of one please post there site. I was wondering have you ever tried a k & N ? I ran Uni filters for years until I had unlimited use of an engine Dyno .

 

Glad you're back Nitro.

 

I did do a search and it came up with dozens of sites. The major point made by all of the proponents of the foam filters is the long life and consisant flow rates. Granted the pleated filters will flow more when clean, but will not flow as well after the same amount of dirt is "ingested" by the filters.

I am not going to try and change anyones mind on this debate, but I will offer an opposing opinion. And I have run the K&N before, just not for very long. Didn't like it. Went back to my Uni filter.

 

Dinian. I had the Alta and I like this one better.

 

Which racing industry? Because different industries use different filters. And it differs from old school and new school.

Off road racing usually uses paper or other dry element filters due to the high dirt levels. Most asphalt racers are using foam and hybrid polyurethane conical or dome filters.

It can also be mandated by the racing bodies' rules that you must use a specific brand or make of filter. This "helps level the playing field". All it really means is that a company offered to sponsor the series in exchange for their product to be used exclusively.

Check out the filters made by HKS. They are really well engineered filters that feature built in venturi rings. To bad they don't make anything for the MINI.

I'm not saying that K&N doesn't make good stuff. They just make good old stuff.

 

The original question on this thread was ALTA or M 7 CAI
My response was very clear. I never said that one was better then the other
but " Alta has the easiest to modify to a best performing working CAI"
and "and get a k&N" filter .
It is real easy I am sure there are some of you that have DYNO runs coming up. Why don't you just try leaving the top off the CAI and do a run with the K & N. Place the top back on with any filter of your desire and do another run. Then come back on and post your results? Prove me wrong !!!!!! Why continue the chair DYNO speculation.
And all these claimed dozens of sites to the contrary of what I posted how about one. Thats all I asked for? And by the way I sell many UNI filters for Motorcycles. HAHAHA !!!!!!
And for the record I do not work for an company except my own. It might help some of you to actually read members profiles.

 

Actually I think you have it backwards..,....most off-roaders use the foam filters.

 

I was thinking of all the guys down at my local dirt track…

Either way, the point I was trying to make is that if you are going to claim that a product is the top choice of "Racing Professionals" it just better not be in a series that the manufacturer is sponsoring.