Has any one tweaked a mini cooper to get 0-60 in less than 8 with out using a turbo. I would like to get mine in this range. I have done nothing yet. I would realy like to have more power off the line.

 

That's a tough one. Are you concerned with warranty issues?

If not:

Intake
Exhaust
Header
Hotwires
Flywheel
Quaife
ECU upgrade
Camshaft
Extrude honed head and intake
Ultra light wheels

Of course, this will cost you. If you just want the best out of your MINI without causing warranty issues, here is what I recommend:

Intake
Exhaust
Hotwires
Ultra light wheels

This won't get you under eight seconds most likely, but it will be more pleasing to the ears, and feel better seat of the pants - isn't that what's important?

Let me know if I can help.

Randy
randy@mini-motorsport.com
720-841-1002

 

My MINI can already go 0 to 60 under 8 seconds and no problem w/ warranty
Just make sure yours says MINI Cooper S!!!

 

Thanx randy .....If I had wanted an S I would Have gotten one....oh and how many times have you had to take your "S" in for service?

 

Try any of the following:

"HAMANN Recalibrating of the ECU and fitting of a sports air filter
Performance tuning to about 120 hp / 88 kW and about 20 Nm torque increase for Mini One. V/max about 191 km/h
Performance tuning to about 128 hp / 94 kW and about 12 Nm torque increase for Mini Cooper. V/max about 210 km/h

HAMANN SPORTKIT CS1 for Mini Cooper S. Performance tuning to about 195 hp / 145 kW. Torque increase about 41 Nm. V/max 227 km/h. Consisting of: Recalibrating of the ECU, modified supercharger transmission-ratio and sports air filter.

HAMANN SPORTKIT CS2 for Mini Cooper S. Performance tuning to about 201 hp / 148 kW. Torque increase about 42 Nm. V/max 227 km/h. Consisting of: Recalibrating of the ECU, modified supercharger transmission-ratio, sports air filter and HAMANN sports rear silencer.

HAMANN SPORTKIT CS3 for Mini Cooper S. Performance tuning to about 206 hp / 151 kW. Torque increase about 43 Nm. V/max 228 km/h. Consisting of: Recalibrating of the ECU, modified supercharger transmission-ratio, sports air filter, HAMANN sports exhaust manifold and HAMANN sports rear silencer.

HAMANN SPORTKIT CS4 for Mini Cooper S. Performance tuning to about 211 hp / 155 kW. Torque increase about 45 Nm. V/max 229 km/h. Consisting of: Recalibrating of the ECU, modified supercharger transmission-ratio, sports air filter, HAMANN sports exhaust manifold, HAMANN sports pre-muffler including sports metal-bed catalyst and HAMANN sports rear silencer."

.......or check out their website

 

Sorry, I just realise that you haven't got the S model and are driving the Cooper insted (just like me).

 

You standard MC owners are funny. Why spend thousands on aftermarket stuff when you should have just bought an S in the first place?

 

>>You standard MC owners are funny. Why spend thousands on aftermarket stuff when you should have just bought an S in the first place?

some people are supercharged and others are not
(sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't )

 

Now, now boys and girls. Each to their own.

 

I noticed that you had a Flux Capacitor installed in your "S"
well, I have a Oscillation Overthruster in mine

 

What is one of those? Can I get one from Mini Mania?

 

---->orbhot
it's funny, you are gonna wish you had bought a RS when it comes out!

 

You standard MC owners are funny. Why spend thousands on aftermarket stuff when you should have just bought an S in the first place?

well I bought an MCS and really I can't tell that much difference in the MC till higher speeds and over 4K rpms.....a second faster 0 to 60 is not that big a deal to me...if I had it to do over I'd buy the MC and do a few mods to keep the spare tire and not have the awful runflats which I have already replaced.....my question to BMW is how they only managed 163 hp with almost 200lb weight gain in the MCS when the MC can get 200hp with a Turbo addition.....why the supercharger in the MCS instead of a 200+hp turbo MCS...now that would have been worth buying, laugh!

 

When (if) the RS comes out, my little MINI and me will kiss, and say our goodbys, because nothing will keep me off THAT wait list. Man oh man....watch out SRT-4!

 

To be an "S" or not to be an "S"????
I personally feel anybody can go out an purchase an "S". Just like anybody can go out a purchase a Big Block Crate Engine and get over 700+ HP. But, that would take the fun and challenge out of these projects that some of us Mini Tuners are taking on.

It is the journey that is the most rewarding. Even though the Victory or Accomplishment is nice as well.

So, the owners of the "S", which is a great car, do get the immediate driving satisfaction out of a stock car. But, there is something bigger and better in the package when I am in my MINI CVT and blow away that same "S".

Now I did not buy my MINI for the FREE oil changes or because of the WARRANTY or because it was now owned by BWM. I bought it because when I got out of the car for the first time I had a big grin plus, it was the most exciting ride I have been in, plus it turns everybodies head, also to pull the heads off, to replace CAMS, to play and have fun with. Then ultimately to out perform all and any cars that I can.
Now just imagine how much real hand experience and knowledge these Tuners gain by doing this.

Then think about this: now there are people out in the MINI world that know just as much if not more then the dealers own mechanics. We then have this wealth of knowledge to get answers to questions that we could only get from having to take our cars in and pay for it.

There are always bad apples every where. But, now we can get these answers from people who do not have to worry about pleasing a boss or by keeping the parts sales high.

We can get answers to questions that are not based upon the need of money but base on truth and love for the product.

We have our own experts for each of the cars the CVT's, the NASP 5 speeds and the 6 speed "S". So, there are people acquiring the knowledge that others seek and are afraid to get by there own experiences. And there is nothing wrong with learning from other peoples mistakes and successes.

JMVHO

 

nice reply diamond....what mods did you do to your mini and did you do them all at once or over time and what have you found to be the priority of making these mods and if you don't mind me asking how expensive are some of the mods you made...and what is your take on performance boosts from ECU tuning, air intake, catback, etc....thanks

 

>>You standard MC owners are funny. Why spend thousands on aftermarket stuff when you should have just bought an S in the first place?

Because of the insurance premium!!! :smile:


retroom

 

You mcs owners are funny. Why spend thousands of dollars on aftermarket stuff when you should have baught an "S" in the first place... OH wait you did

 

>>nice reply diamond....what mods did you do to your mini and did you do them all at once or over time and what have you found to be the priority of making these mods and if you don't mind me asking how expensive are some of the mods you made...and what is your take on performance boosts from ECU tuning, air intake, cat back, etc....thanks

Hello Miniblues,

As far as what order to do these in Randy posted non warranty items up above in a earlier post.

We have done everything from ECU to Wheels. I have pulled the top of my engine apart multiple times. Now, it would be kinda un fair to tell you how much these really cost because I am Mini Tuner. So, I get deep discounts for doing R & D and as a Buyer/Wholesaler. But, you can get an idea by reading my list of mods below. Most of which are on the Diamond Racing site.

My Mini:
A real High profile cam
Port and polished head
Intake, exhaust, head gasket matched.
Header flow work
ECU mods
Intake Mods
Spark plug wire upgrade
Lowered 1.25 inches
Strut tower support
Cat back
30 lb wheel tire combo

My partners MINI has a full front and back rotor, caliper steel lines and performance pad upgrades.

We will have four mods for the NASP that work and we will be selling them as our Stage 1-4 performance upgrade kits. Each of which alone will result in huge performance gains. All of which we have been working on for over 6 months to get these properly dialed in for release to the public. Remember DRG specializes in Bolt on Performance. Now some of our Stage 4 kits may require a knowledgeable mechanic. But, after all it is a Stage 4 kit. This is why we do not sell: Head Replacements, Header Replacements, Front or Rear Sway bars, or Pulleys that will require the Super Charger to be pulled. Now we will do Custom Work for people. But, to sell these items to the average owner would not make sense, even though they sound good.

Example: Our CVT's bounce off the Speed limiter in 5th gear. (The CVT has 6 gears in manual. Once you shift from 6th to normal automatic your RPM's drop about 1000. So, we really have 7 gears. Or what I call 6 with an over drive.) The rev limiter kits in at 2300 instead of 4000 because of the increased engine performance.

What MINI owners are failing to realize is that there are After Market Retailers and then there are true performance seekers. Aftermarket retailers will carry all items hoping that they will get a small market. Meaning if I please everybody then I can sell something.

Then there are true performance seekers that are on the quest to really find true performance items that enhance the MINI's performance.

A big HP gain at a Dyno does not mean increased performance. Example: Cone filter induction systems sound good, some look good, some even what is represented shows Great HP gains. So, some one in search of top end HP would love this. But, this same set up after the car has run for 30 mins losses allot of low end torque. This results in bad performance. So, a performance seeker would not like this set up.

I have a friend that I have grown to Love and Hate. His name is Bart Grande the owner and tuner at GodSpeed Dyno in Oceanside, CA.. He always tells us the truth when it comes to the Dyno. He always insures that the conditions are matched for every pull. His machine even adjusts for current weather conditions, bla, bla, ETC.

He will tell anybody the truth. As I said I have learned allot about the Dyno and Tuning world.

So, I see some of these posts and claims of HP I just do not say a word. Because we only know what we know or what some one has told us. So, then the person that makes a post is always right because of they what they do not know.

Bart has mentioned that true HP gains will not come from a single item being added to your car, I.E. Filter. Now, you may see or feel performance gains at the track or racing around town. But, with our small 1.6 engine and S or not these huge gains will not really happen as advertised.

Bart has also proved to me that with a Supercharger changing filters do not add HP. The supercharger is designed to pull a certain amount of air regardless. The only true way to gain HP to an "S" is denser air or a hard ware mod. I.E. Pulley, intercooler, water injections, etc.

Of which most of the owners will not do because they are worried about Warranty Issues or just can not afford the mods anyway.

Bart has proved to me that when at a dyno they can show any gain you want. They just modify the conditions of the test. So, when after marketers show these HP gains we need to see the before and after. The measure is not the Hard Number but the percentage gain under the same test conditions. If some one dry ices the intake they will see huge gains. If some runs 10 different runs they can get 1 that is higher then the rest (different conditions) they will post the one that is the highest. See Different Dynos Different HP Numbers?

This is why Diamond Racing is taking a different approach. We are a Performance Tuner not HP junkies. You will see over the next few months we will be taking of all our HP representations and replacing them with true performance numbers. Speed Test: 0-60 and 0-120 mph. 1/8 and ¼ mile times, braking distances, etc. Now will include HP and Torque gains with our packages. But, what we are finding out is that better performance does not really mean better HP and Visa Versa.

I know for a fact when I am running my car in race mode, I can smoke most S's. It is not because of RAW HP it is because of my cars over all performance.

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Diamond Mini

 

Diamini,

I agree to your approach of tuning the entire car. I think my list included both a total hp package, and a warranty friendly package.

I do have to address the intake issue. Filters DO make a difference on a supercharged car, PERIOD. There is no debating this - several dynos have been used to verify this fact, and the track times don't lie (I have done extensive testing on track, as I am a performance seeker as well).

I also believe that as long as a product has been evaluated, why not offer it to the market? Let the folks decide if they can install it or have someone install it for them. It doesn't sound very kosher to have things available that you won't offer because you worry about the ability of the customer to install it.

As far as the dyno runs, I completely agree that you can get a dyno to tell you anything you want to hear. That's why I have been doing track testing, installations, autocrossing, and using objective dyno numbers for comparisons. I have yet to see the "torque drop off" after 30 minutes (unless you aren't providing sufficient cooling - just like the car would have while motoring around).

To me, performance means a balance. That includes things like swaybars, headers, head replacements, intakes, cams, ECU mods, exhaust systems, braking systems, all in a balanced form. If you do a lot of development with the motor, you also need to address the handling (a big part of that is at least the rear swaybar) and the braking as well. That is what I am developing.

I do caution against parts redistributors, who have no testing or experience with the parts they offer. In my experience with the MINI market, there hasn't been a lot of that yet. BMP (PROMINI), Helix, Turner, MINI-Madness, and others seem to really be doing the homework on what they offer. I'm sure as the market increases, you probably will see those out there who just carry as much as they can - even the knick knack type stuff - just to sell something.

I'd like a chance to run against your car in full race mode though - that would be a good test I like your approach of using timing and braking results. That's been one of my goals in testing lately; to see what the whole package has to offer in a comparative lap time on the track. We have been amazed at some of the differences. The dyno numbers do seem to correlate to the lap times though - but it has been good to see that in a real world test.

I would like to continue the relationship that we started at the beginning of my business, so let me know if you would like any evaluations done here at the track and autocross course. I think the evaluation process MINI-Motorsport uses is second to none - installation ease and fit, street driving, autocross, and track testing, as well as independent dyno results.

Let me know if you would like to continue in developing your products.

Randy

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Click It!

 

<<diamini if HP doesn't matter then why on your homepage does it say this">>

You've found the right place for bolt on performance and Horse Power increases for your BMW MINI Cooper and MINI Cooper "S". When ever someone asks for help finding quick solutions to increase HP and Performance they always turn to Diamond Racing. Diamond Racing provides a one stop store for affordable performance components and packages the new BMW Mini Cooper. Thank that special someone who told you about the best Mini Cooper performance site on the web. Whatever your Horse Power or Performance needs are Diamond Racing has what you are looking for at affordable prices.

 

I think what diamond is saying is you don't get 19hp gains from an exhaust or another 10 hp gains from an air intake...some of the claims being made are ridiculous....I do think the overall balance of the car's performance does make sense....even though I have an MCS, I have driven a tuned MC that was definitely quicker than mine and handled dramatically better and I'm sure there wasn't a 40hp gain in the tuned MC....Diamond sounds like my kind of tuner....

 

Hello itsthedirtybird,

>><<diamini if HP doesn't matter then why on your homepage does it say this">>
>>
>>You've found the right place for bolt on performance and Horse Power increases for your BMW MINI Cooper and MINI Cooper "S". When ever someone asks for help finding quick solutions to increase HP and Performance they always turn to Diamond Racing. Diamond Racing provides a one stop store for affordable performance components and packages the new BMW Mini Cooper. Thank that special someone who told you about the best Mini Cooper performance site on the web. Whatever your Horse Power or Performance needs are Diamond Racing has what you are looking for at affordable prices.

+++++

You most of failed to fully read my previous post when I mentioned, "This is why Diamond Racing is taking a different approach. We are a Performance Tuner not HP junkies. You will see over the next few months we will be taking of all our HP representations and replacing them with true performance numbers"

and

"What we are finding out is that better performance does not really mean better HP and Visa Versa. "

But, the statement that you pulled of my website is still valid. Performance and HP naturally go hand in hand. HP will not be our main focus.

 

Our approach has always been similar since May when CY and I engaged in our new business. CY and I have been working with the other business's you called out starting back in June, before the Mini-West meet. Most of which are happy to work with us until, only after we found out that Pipercross Supplied Cooper Works their filters and induction systems and only after we decided to fly Cy to the UK and see the Pipercross operations and how they made the filters before we became the only US Pipercross Reps. in the US.

We have literally lost 10's of thousands of dollars pursuing our new passion. Shh...Do not let our wives know this. They think it is just a few hundred. LOL. Just Kidding they are more then aware of what we are doing.

All our stuff we ran on our cars in Solo II Autocross's and liked (now selling) or we ran and did not like (No longer selling or pulled from our site.)

Everything we have on our site we are running on our cars or we are waiting to run them on our cars. The only things we do not are the "S" stuff as we own CVT's and the Spax and the NEX seats.

We already lowered one CVT and the other we want to leave the stock suspension in for now. Because of the Stock Solo II Class. We were the first Minis to run in S. Cal Solo II that we know of, starting in June. Well, we never saw another out there,

I have been running a port and polished head for Months. But, we still do not sell this as an option. We have been through multiple cams, different header pipes, had plans to bore out throttle bodies. Had proto type anti roll bars, had our own skid plate. Worked with Brembo for brakes.

We just did not release all these because as they sound good most of these mods require three things: 1. a third car-for most two income families, 2. more cash-to pay a mechanic. 3. And more cash. Have you seen the total cost of Big Brakes after you buy new wheels and tires that are worth anything? All of these mods require major work or warranty Issues-losing that free oil changes. Hey it is just a fact.

We did not find out about the header pipe and front sway bar until we pulled my head for the first time. Let’s just say just think twice about doing either of these mods.

Randy has a good "How To" I believe for the Back Sway bar. Right???

Now when it warms up again in rest of the country, you will see the torque and performance differences that I am talking about when you run a Cone only induction set up (The first mod I did to my car in May.) system verses a Cold induction set up or even the stock panel replacement set up.

Why? Because, Cy's CVT, with a Pipercross panel only replacement at the time, would always beat me off the line between the 0-4500rpm range, until which the low end torque loss in my MINI would be compensated by the HP gain caused by the increased air flow above 5,000, which I would then pull away. Then they would shift at the exact same time. Once again at the lower RPM range he would gain ground, but, again I would pull away above 5,000. Which by going through all gears I would be maybe a car lengths ahead of him. All the while each car would still shift at the same time.

The other is when my car was sitting for a few hours with the Cone. I could pull out of a driveway and turn right and turn the tires. After running/driving my car for 30 mins (Keeping track of time as I was at one point also concerned about the validity of minimal gains gained by filters and intakes.) there was no way I could even get out of the hole, let alone think about turning my wheels.

(But, on the Dyno back in June, I had far better horse power gains the CY’s. Now imagine this: On the 1/8 or 1/4 mile I would beat CY every time. But, on the auto cross were low end torque performance in important, his car would turn better times. AND I WAS DRIVING BOTH. I really wanted mine to win. Darn.)

Now, the loss of torque was do to two factors: 1. it was summer time in Temecula, CA. So the outside are was around 100. 2. I was sucking in even hotter ambient air from the engine compartment.

Agreeing with Randy ultimately my loss of torque was "Lack of sufficient cooling". But, back in July there was no such thing as a cold induction system for the New MINI in production. And besides how can you cool down the 100 degree air without some kind of mod? Now, I am happy to say that I have my low end torque back. And no it is not because it is 60 degrees now. HMMM maybe that is the reason. LOL

Have fun posting and reading.

I maybe contacted by email. I am listed in the Members list and I am listed under the Sponsor Directory.

Happy Motoring.



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Diamond Mini

 

ok, where to start...

Speaking from experience (8,000 miles with the stock airbox and now nearly 11,000 miles with the MINI Madness Cooper S intake installed), the air intake absolutely DOES make power and does NOT loose low end torque.

I installed my MINI Madness intake back in August and have driven it in a variety of conditions from hot August weather to some early mornings here in Denver in the single digits. It flat out makes power compared to stock. With just the intake, I was able to chirp my run-flat tires more easily (that is a demonstration of a torque gain). Anyone who viewed the video comparison of the MINI Madness intake to the stock airbox that ficcion put together would have noticed that much. The MINI Cooper S does suffer from its restrictive stock intake. The supercharger wants more air and the MINI Madness intake provides that with a larger filter area.