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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:19 AM
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Looks good.

Of course it's hard to tell just by looking at a video.
Some dynos also measure the 0-60 time, you should try it.
Or you could use a timing device they use to clock acceleration times.

How fast is the top of your second gear ?

Lightweight wheels are also a good mod.

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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My second gear tops out at about 60-62 mph! The smaller wheel made a good amount of difference in the gear ratios!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:28 AM
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some pics with the 15x6.5's
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:32 AM
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That not bad.
But, with a software upgrade, your rev limit increases to 7000/7100 rpm.
Because of this, your speed in 2nd gear becomes 66mph.
This of course together with the extra power that you make because of the software provides faster acceleration.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:33 AM
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Nice pics by the way.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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Is the evotech good? What u have?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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I have software from a Belgian tuner.
There aren't really bad ones out there, just make sure they spend some time working on your software.
I'm sure Evotech is good.
But don't believe some of the numbers they give you.
You always have to stay realistic.

This is what I wrote in one of my threads as a response to someones question :

Software alone is gonna get you about 5-10hp.
Why is there such a big difference ?
Because it depends on what type of "tuning" that you use and which tuner you go to.

Unichip is gonna get you the best results (10hp is not difficult using this product, maybe even a little bit more), but at a price of 895 euros (495 for hardware that is connected to the computer of your car and most tuners ask around 400 for the tuning itself) it isn't a cheap choice.

Another option is flashing your software using the OBDII port.
This is where the big differences can occur.
A tuners that spends about 15-30 minutes of his time working on your software might get 5-7hp.
But a tuner that spends a couple of hours on your software, might achieve an 8-9hp increase.

Most Coopers with just software produce between 116hp, if your car has between 108 and 110hp stock, or 118-121hp, if your car produces between 110-115hp stock.

I know this might come as a shock to some, but yes, some people with just software have produced 116hp (which is more or less what the car should have in stock form) on a dyno.
It all depends on how strong your car is to begin with.
I've seen people dyno at 119hp with just a cold air intake and an exhaust (no headers, no cat.).
And on the other hand, I've seen people dyno at 116hp with software and an open intake.

My advice is the following, when you go to a tuner to get software, make sure you go to one that spends a lot of time working on it.
If you decide to change your intake, don't use an open intake.
Open intakes suck in hot air and this does not help.
When my car (and many others that I've seen) was on the dyno with the modified K&N 57i, they did three runs at full throttle.
The difference between the first and the third run was already 4hp !
Don't get me wrong, you CAN gain hp with an open intake, but these situations will not often occur.
Therefore it is much better to install a heat shield if you have an open intake, or to install a closed intake (Pipercross Viper, BMC CDA, Raid Max HP Carbon, JCW intake, ...) or to simply use a drop in filter.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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Thanks, I just dont want to spend to much more money! I already put to much in suspension lol!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:46 AM
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I can understand that.

Another option which isn't too expensive is Bluefin.
I know some people who have used it and their results weren't bad at all.

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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Is it ture that your ECU adapts to the way you drive your car? I notice that my car is the strongest over 4000 rpms. But the car is driven over about 400 miles a week with agressive drving at hand It's just a thought!!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:50 AM
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What you think of the Evotech from MINI-Madness? $400 is not to bad!

http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=116
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:50 AM
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Well, there some things that the computer stores, but it doesn't really adapt to each driver if that's what you mean.

It's perfectly normal that your car starts to improve after 4000rpm.
This is known for all the Mini Coopers and typical for a 16 valve engine.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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So what do you mean when you say (It depends on how strong your MINI Cooper is stock)
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Chilipeppa03
What you think of the Evotech from MINI-Madness? $400 is not to bad!

http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=116
It doesn't look bad, but me personally, I wouldn't buy it.
Reason ?
With the ECU out of the car, are they going to dyno it several times ?
You see, most tuners just hook up their computer to your car using the OBDII connection and start altering the software (unless you use UniChip, this is a little different, but basically the same except that there is an additional piece of hardware installed next to the stock computer of the car).
Anyway, after they alter something, they can check the dyno results.
They do this every time to see whether something has improved or not and to check your air/fuel ratio's.

Now, if EVOTECH also does dyno checks, this might be a good choice, but the thing is, you don't know what the results will be on your car.

Sure, you can dyno it afterwards, but if the numbers aren't good, are you gonna send it back and forward every time ?
 

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chilipeppa03
So what do you mean when you say (It depends on how strong your MINI Cooper is stock)
Some stock Coopers put down 110hp at the flywheel, others 114/115hp.
So it depends from what level of power you begin with.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:56 AM
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True true!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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Does wheel and tire size have to do with how strong your Cooper is stock? Say 15 inch wheel vs. 18 inch wheel
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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Wheel size can have an effect on your dyno numbers, yes.
Normally, smaller wheels or lightweight wheels could give you better results because they weigh less and they gain speed faster compared to heavier / bigger wheels.
But the differences aren't going to be that big with cars in our power range.
Unless of course you try 14 inch vs 19 inch or something like that.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 09:03 AM
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ok, Hey man I have to get off here and get ready for work. It was nice talkin to you and thanks for your help and patience. We should PM each other often to keep in touch. Talk to you later!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 09:04 AM
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You're welcome.
Pm me anytime you wanna have a chat.

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 09:06 AM
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Lata!
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 09:06 AM
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Bye

Till next time.

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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Der,

I have a simalar set up as chili, running 11lb 15 x 6.5 wheels with 205/50 Falken Azenis 615's. I'm going with mini madness ECU Tune for now and will eventualy end up with the Unichip Unit. The very end result for my mini will be a gutted crate motor bored out to 2.0L w/ ballenced crank, conn rods and pistons. Ballenced agressive cams, with oversized intake & exhaust valves w/ dual springs. Ported, polished and blueprinted head. Ported & polished custom intake manifold w/ custom oversized polished TB. Oversized 420cc injectors w/Hiflow fuel pump and oversized fuel rail. Cutom polished and blueprinted exhaust header matted with a Garret GT35 twin scroll turbo system and custom 3" exhaust. Along with the best ancillary equipment I figure I might get over 300hp and even better torque. This engine is my choice for road racing and not for AutoX.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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Good Luck w/ the Build when it happens! I wish that I still have my MC. I would have probably done something like that. :-)
 
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