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R60 Please someone help. 300E, 2C58, P0368 codes

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Old Apr 8, 2024 | 04:33 PM
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Please someone help. 300E, 2C58, P0368 codes

Edit:evidently the 2016 is an F60, not R60 like the Google told me.

Forgot to add 2016 countryman N18, all4, 50k miles.

I really thought that I finally had this licked today and was excited for the wife to come home from watching the eclipse to a fully functional countryman.

I bought an Innova 5610 scanner as it seemed to cover the things i wanted with the mini and ford. I had a limp mode with p0368 code come up. Cleared codes to see what would pop back up and it ran fine for months. Then one day limp mode again. Multiple codes were present, (P0368-stored, pending, permanent-( camshaft position sensor B, high input) P1338 (CPS faulty phase position) P10E2(VVL sensor supply voltage circuit electrical) P0238( turbo boost sensor A circuit high), P0193 (fuel rail sensor high input) P007B(charge air cooler temp sensor circuit range/performance bank 1,P007D( Charge air cooler temp sensor circuit high bank 1). Checked battery voltage: 11.7V get it recharged, doesn't move the needle. Warranty out battery, voltage is good engine on and engine off. P0368 persists. Get fresh oil change, P0368. Replace both VANOS solenoids (50k miles seems to be the maintenance point) and both cam sensors. P0368. Find something about needing to reset adaptation on the DME. 5610 no do this. Buy (reactively) Foxwell NT710. reset adaptations, clear codes. Boom! Success. Drive it around, full of pep, MIL off. Tell the wife her car is fixed.

First start. MIL and limp mode. 300E (which seems to be P0368?) And 2c58( which seems to be a byproduct of some other fault). 300E shows as 'not present ', 2c58 present. Remove all 3 ECM connectors and check ecm. All looks good. Back of all 3 connectors covered in grime. Clean all 3, apply dielectric grease to everything. CLear all codes (two), reset adaptations Boom! Checks clean. Drives perfectly. Took for a 10 min spin. Pulled in the driveway. Restarted, all good. Went back out hours later all is good. Next morning, MIL and limp mode.

Ordered a new connector and terminals for exhaust cam sensor. Made a new harness soldered it it to bypass the old one with the short to B+. Cleared codes, reset adaptations. Car started and crapped out. Low idle. Wondered if it just needed to relearn things. Started again, fired right up. Boom! Success. No codes, full of pep. Drove for 15 min. Turned off, turned on, NT710 shows no fault codes. Let it sit for an hour. Started up, drove around, all good. No codes, situation normal. Parked, started again, no codes.

Several hours later I went to move the car so my wife could pull mine in and I'd take hers to work 'just in case'. MF MIL, 300E and 2C58. Cam position sensor B bank 1 short to B+.

Help me, please. What am i missing?
is it the ECM?
Is it the damn timing chain issue? Why would it always be P0368, not 367?

thats all of the info i have. Im an ME, not an EE, so im not super versed in the nuances. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Old Apr 9, 2024 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Wife_loves_her_minis
Edit:evidently the 2016 is an F60, not R60 like the Google told me.

Forgot to add 2016 countryman N18, all4, 50k miles.

I really thought that I finally had this licked today and was excited for the wife to come home from watching the eclipse to a fully functional countryman.

I bought an Innova 5610 scanner as it seemed to cover the things i wanted with the mini and ford. I had a limp mode with p0368 code come up. Cleared codes to see what would pop back up and it ran fine for months. Then one day limp mode again. Multiple codes were present, (P0368-stored, pending, permanent-( camshaft position sensor B, high input) P1338 (CPS faulty phase position) P10E2(VVL sensor supply voltage circuit electrical) P0238( turbo boost sensor A circuit high), P0193 (fuel rail sensor high input) P007B(charge air cooler temp sensor circuit range/performance bank 1,P007D( Charge air cooler temp sensor circuit high bank 1). Checked battery voltage: 11.7V get it recharged, doesn't move the needle. Warranty out battery, voltage is good engine on and engine off. P0368 persists. Get fresh oil change, P0368. Replace both VANOS solenoids (50k miles seems to be the maintenance point) and both cam sensors. P0368. Find something about needing to reset adaptation on the DME. 5610 no do this. Buy (reactively) Foxwell NT710. reset adaptations, clear codes. Boom! Success. Drive it around, full of pep, MIL off. Tell the wife her car is fixed.

First start. MIL and limp mode. 300E (which seems to be P0368?) And 2c58( which seems to be a byproduct of some other fault). 300E shows as 'not present ', 2c58 present. Remove all 3 ECM connectors and check ecm. All looks good. Back of all 3 connectors covered in grime. Clean all 3, apply dielectric grease to everything. CLear all codes (two), reset adaptations Boom! Checks clean. Drives perfectly. Took for a 10 min spin. Pulled in the driveway. Restarted, all good. Went back out hours later all is good. Next morning, MIL and limp mode.

Ordered a new connector and terminals for exhaust cam sensor. Made a new harness soldered it it to bypass the old one with the short to B+. Cleared codes, reset adaptations. Car started and crapped out. Low idle. Wondered if it just needed to relearn things. Started again, fired right up. Boom! Success. No codes, full of pep. Drove for 15 min. Turned off, turned on, NT710 shows no fault codes. Let it sit for an hour. Started up, drove around, all good. No codes, situation normal. Parked, started again, no codes.

Several hours later I went to move the car so my wife could pull mine in and I'd take hers to work 'just in case'. MF MIL, 300E and 2C58. Cam position sensor B bank 1 short to B+.

Help me, please. What am i missing?
is it the ECM?
Is it the damn timing chain issue? Why would it always be P0368, not 367?

thats all of the info i have. Im an ME, not an EE, so im not super versed in the nuances. Any help would be appreciated.
You're going to feel like a ping pong ball when I tell you this, but your car is an R60 if it has an N18 engine. You must be in North America if you were watching the eclipse (it was awesome here in Ottawa, Canada!) and 2016 model years in the US and Canada are definitely R60s. Google was right.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2024 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by eric.stewart
You're going to feel like a ping pong ball when I tell you this, but your car is an R60 if it has an N18 engine. You must be in North America if you were watching the eclipse (it was awesome here in Ottawa, Canada!) and 2016 model years in the US and Canada are definitely R60s. Google was right.
It was not great where I was. My wife went to see her family and they were in the path of totality and said that it was great. Thanks for the update. Covered both bases by posting in both forums.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2024 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by eric.stewart
You're going to feel like a ping pong ball when I tell you this, but your car is an R60 if it has an N18 engine. You must be in North America if you were watching the eclipse (it was awesome here in Ottawa, Canada!) and 2016 model years in the US and Canada are definitely R60s. Google was right.
on the plus side the issue appears to be gone. Checked to make sure both sensors pulled voltage down, which the did, reassembled and issue gone.
 
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