with red calipers and I love them! man do they work good. We are also a TCE/Wilwood dealer, send me a pm.

 

Will do! I didnt see the Wilwood kit on your site though?

 

Both the Wilwood and Detroit Tuned are great BBK kits. I had the Detroit Tuned one installed by Scott at Central Coast Coopers a few weeks ago and I have been very happy with the results. As a bonus Scott painted my rear OE calipers black to match the DT front ones for FREE. Give Scott a call. He has experience with both kits!!

 

and it stops real, real good, but the rotors are pretty heavy, and not cheap! If I could have gotten one of the TCE kits at the same price (paid $450 for them used), I'd have been all over it.

If you're going for look, do whatever suits you. If you're going for improved braking, I'd tweak the stockers (pads, fluid and bushings), then to an aftermarket kit if you find you're getting fade from the improved stock set up, or really, really need to shed some unsprung weight. The stock calipers are heavy (both the MC/MCS and the JCW).

Matt

 

Ive looked at the DT and WIlwood kits. I think I like the Wilwood kit better.

 

The Detroit Tuned Kit weighs approx. the same as the OE set up. You don't lose weight but you don't gain weight either. The rotor is kinda heavy but the calipers are very light. Thicker rotors may be less prone to warp and can handle more heat. Also, the bling factor with the DT kit is awesome but I don't care about that because that's for sissies. I have heard several owners of thinner rotors complain about warping. Is there a minimum thickness for a 12-14 inch rotor to minimize the potential for warping. I had warped rotors on a BMW 5 series and it drove me nuts.

 

A good rule of thumb for rotor min. is 90% of new means time for a replacement. Now...having said that, not all rules apply. This may be fine for the street guy but not so good for a guy headed to the next track event. It needs to be balanced against the intended use of the rotor. It can also vary by the total width of the rotor relative to air gap- that center area. Some rotors would easily allow 20% reduction and have ample rotor wall. At the expense of piston travel also. Use 10% and you'll have a good min. number to estimate from.

The rotor warpage issue, as I've said before; is 99% pad issue and about 1% true rotor issue. Having produced kits for cars like the Impala SS I get a call every so often on this. No way has a guy truly warped, bent or damaged a 13" rotor that's 1.375" thick. What he's done is to bake the pads to the rotor at a stop sign. This happens far more in an automatic tranny car of course. Yet....I still see the std tranny guy with his brake light on at a stop. If that's you; don't do it. Damages and high pad transfer comes not with the slowing of the car but the stopped car for most street users. For track guys you can certainly overheat a pad and have it break down too. But, see below.

Key to long life it selecting the pad that best suites your intended use. There is no "one perfect pad" for a car. Period. Don't care who's brakes they are on.

 

Scott did a great job for me as well. Give him a ring.

Paul

 

I guess im a sissy then hahaha

 

Thanks for the compliments, design and execution by Peter at M7.
The wheels are Yokohama Advan AVS T7 in 17x7.5, you don't see them everyday.

Just call Todd at TCE for great prices.



Bill

 

Hope one day I can take my 2002 to a crazy level. Ive had it for almost 5 years now. Time to totally trick it out.

 

FWIW, I stock pads for all the following:

The factory Wilwood kits with DP caliper.
The TCE/Wilwood kits with FSL calipers.
The Detroit Tuned kit with Outlaw (NDL in Wilwood line) calipers.

With a vast selection of compound for all these models you'll be assured of finding one that meets your needs.

 

i'm not going to post any pic's since we all know what they look like and mine are black from two days at homestead. i have the plus 4's. they stop the MINI insanely fast. it took me several sessions to get used to since the rear end gets very light. this is with coilovers, camber plates, light wheels and r-comps. i made many porsches nervous, as i late braked toward their bumper. i love them. my instructor told me that my next mod should be better restraints. i'm running the BP-20 pads. no fade on the track at homestead and fine on the street.

 

Now that is what I like to hear!!!!