Are black wheels just a fad?
I WISH that tire companies would make it an option to get white lettering on the sidewalls again! It looks so cool to me! MISFITOY, that is awesome! Sorry it didn't last longer!
I had an 88 CRX and I told my then girlfriend now wife that I wanted to get black rims, and she thought I was crazy. This was back in the early 90's. No way are black rims a fad. When I upgrade my wheels on my S, you can bet that I'll get black.
I had an 88 CRX and I told my then girlfriend now wife that I wanted to get black rims, and she thought I was crazy. This was back in the early 90's. No way are black rims a fad. When I upgrade my wheels on my S, you can bet that I'll get black.
Originally Posted by jonnieoh
Will this black wheel trend dry up?
I know I'm kinda asking you to help me see into the future, here, but your opinions will help. Thanks! :smile:
I know I'm kinda asking you to help me see into the future, here, but your opinions will help. Thanks! :smile:
Reasons I prefer black wheels:
1-Don't have to compete with who's got the biggest, brightest wheel.
2-Black wheels disappear when rotating...intriguing.
3-That allows the suspension/brake componants to become prominant.
4-Less visible brake dust to deal with.
5-Dissipates heat better.
1-Don't have to compete with who's got the biggest, brightest wheel.
2-Black wheels disappear when rotating...intriguing.
3-That allows the suspension/brake componants to become prominant.
4-Less visible brake dust to deal with.
5-Dissipates heat better.
:smile:
http://www.globalwinusa.com/faqs/heatsink/color.html
Does heatsink color affect heat dissipation?
"Black is the best thermal body in terms of being a absorber or emitter. Let's assume a vacuum situation, if the surface "A" of a black heatsink is totally covered at T1 (temperature 1) by another black body at T2 (temperature 2), the black heatsink would get the energy reflected from another black body at reflection energy Ad(T14-T24) that we call "Stefan-Boltzmann" law of thermal radiation, here refers to Stefan Boltzmann Constant, it is 5.6697 x 10-8 w/m2?K4..."
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...6247.Eg.r.html
"Most people know that black colors will absorb more radiative heat than
white will. Everyone knows you wear white clothing on a hot, sunny day to
keep cooler. This is because black will absorb more of the light and heat
from the sun than white will (White will reflect more of the light and
heat). What most people don't know is that the exact opposite is also
true, that black will emit more heat that white will..."
http://www.globalwinusa.com/faqs/heatsink/color.html
Does heatsink color affect heat dissipation?
"Black is the best thermal body in terms of being a absorber or emitter. Let's assume a vacuum situation, if the surface "A" of a black heatsink is totally covered at T1 (temperature 1) by another black body at T2 (temperature 2), the black heatsink would get the energy reflected from another black body at reflection energy Ad(T14-T24) that we call "Stefan-Boltzmann" law of thermal radiation, here refers to Stefan Boltzmann Constant, it is 5.6697 x 10-8 w/m2?K4..."
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...6247.Eg.r.html
"Most people know that black colors will absorb more radiative heat than
white will. Everyone knows you wear white clothing on a hot, sunny day to
keep cooler. This is because black will absorb more of the light and heat
from the sun than white will (White will reflect more of the light and
heat). What most people don't know is that the exact opposite is also
true, that black will emit more heat that white will..."
Originally Posted by neilgj
Shouldn't heat dissipation primarily be a function of the material composition of the wheel - not the color?
Originally Posted by tl915
The rims on the red mini is so nice. What rim is that???
http://www.rspeed.net/miata/item.asp...8&prod=400-002
I am using a ASA JH6 that is 16x7, similar look, a little heavier, but fits the stock runflat....
pics & info here:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=50886
-jac
I don't question whether color plays a role - only whether it plays significant role when compared to the material. The references you supply assume the same material composition with the single variable being color. For instance, if you paint a great heat absorber like iron black, the ability of iron to store heat will not be nullified by the black color's heat emission potential. Conversely, I wonder if painting a great heat conductor like copper black would really affect its ability to dissipate heat in a meaningful way.
In the end, off topic. All I really care about is how the black wheels improve the car at dyno :smile:
In the end, off topic. All I really care about is how the black wheels improve the car at dyno :smile:
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
:smile:
http://www.globalwinusa.com/faqs/heatsink/color.html
Does heatsink color affect heat dissipation?
"Black is the best thermal body in terms of being a absorber or emitter. Let's assume a vacuum situation, if the surface "A" of a black heatsink is totally covered at T1 (temperature 1) by another black body at T2 (temperature 2), the black heatsink would get the energy reflected from another black body at reflection energy Ad(T14-T24) that we call "Stefan-Boltzmann" law of thermal radiation, here refers to Stefan Boltzmann Constant, it is 5.6697 x 10-8 w/m2?K4..."
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...6247.Eg.r.html
"Most people know that black colors will absorb more radiative heat than
white will. Everyone knows you wear white clothing on a hot, sunny day to
keep cooler. This is because black will absorb more of the light and heat
from the sun than white will (White will reflect more of the light and
heat). What most people don't know is that the exact opposite is also
true, that black will emit more heat that white will..."
http://www.globalwinusa.com/faqs/heatsink/color.html
Does heatsink color affect heat dissipation?
"Black is the best thermal body in terms of being a absorber or emitter. Let's assume a vacuum situation, if the surface "A" of a black heatsink is totally covered at T1 (temperature 1) by another black body at T2 (temperature 2), the black heatsink would get the energy reflected from another black body at reflection energy Ad(T14-T24) that we call "Stefan-Boltzmann" law of thermal radiation, here refers to Stefan Boltzmann Constant, it is 5.6697 x 10-8 w/m2?K4..."
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...6247.Eg.r.html
"Most people know that black colors will absorb more radiative heat than
white will. Everyone knows you wear white clothing on a hot, sunny day to
keep cooler. This is because black will absorb more of the light and heat
from the sun than white will (White will reflect more of the light and
heat). What most people don't know is that the exact opposite is also
true, that black will emit more heat that white will..."
I'm not sure as I'm not a scientist and to be honest...it doesn't matter:smile: The heat displacement value was last on my list of reasons.
Originally Posted by neilgj
I don't question whether color plays a role - only whether it plays significant role when compared to the material. The references you supply assume the same material composition with the single variable being color. For instance, if you paint a great heat absorber like iron black, the ability of iron to store heat will not be nullified by the black color's heat emission potential. Conversely, I wonder if painting a great heat conductor like copper black would really affect its ability to dissipate heat in a meaningful way.
In the end, off topic. All I really care about is how the black wheels improve the car at dyno :smile:
In the end, off topic. All I really care about is how the black wheels improve the car at dyno :smile:
Originally Posted by fishbulb
those look like the Chaparral S from R-Speed:
http://www.rspeed.net/miata/item.asp...8&prod=400-002
I am using a ASA JH6 that is 16x7, similar look, a little heavier, but fits the stock runflat....
pics & info here:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=50886
-jac
http://www.rspeed.net/miata/item.asp...8&prod=400-002
I am using a ASA JH6 that is 16x7, similar look, a little heavier, but fits the stock runflat....
pics & info here:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=50886
-jac
it goes way back!
Here's a pic of my car in college (1984)...69 Firebird HO...the rims are the Pontiac Rallye II painted gloss black with the black hubs that have a red "PMD" in the middle...MAN! I loved that car!
I have many friends who own classic cars and let me tell you, they have wheels that are black with polished lips etc that have been on their for the life of the car! But its all about pref. and what you like when it comes down to it all.
If fj0 does not mind, here is one of his pictures that I photoshopped to see how my car will look with the new rota subzeros i got with black and polished lip.

Garrett
If fj0 does not mind, here is one of his pictures that I photoshopped to see how my car will look with the new rota subzeros i got with black and polished lip.

Garrett
Back in the sixties (yeah, I'm that old) you weren't right unless you had "black mags" on your Chevelle. Five black spokes, silver rims. Remember Bullit's Mustang ? If it's a fad, it's a fifty year fad.
As you can see, I prefer all black. On some cars I think the chrome lips make some cars look like they have "whitewall" tires and that is just not for me.
But every car here I have seen looks great.
Cheers,
Herbert
But every car here I have seen looks great.
Cheers,
Herbert
Here's a pic of my MINI with black wheels.
Conspicuous words in white appear on one spoke of each wheel (reminds me of certain designer sunglasses). Fine for younger folks but vulgar on an old fart's car. So I have taken the photo from a distance.
This was shot one block from my favorite grocery store. I don't get to live here. My home neighborhood has no charm--just lots of noise. :impatient
Conspicuous words in white appear on one spoke of each wheel (reminds me of certain designer sunglasses). Fine for younger folks but vulgar on an old fart's car. So I have taken the photo from a distance.
This was shot one block from my favorite grocery store. I don't get to live here. My home neighborhood has no charm--just lots of noise. :impatient
Last edited by morknmini; Sep 17, 2005 at 07:18 PM. Reason: ww
Originally Posted by jonnieoh
(Which weigh in an obese 55 lbs. per wheel/tire)!
Will this black wheel trend dry up?
Will this black wheel trend dry up?
they are not 55 pounds but about 47.
Then see http://www.dealsonwheels.com/search/...-200509-000005
I think its safe to say that after, at least, 89 years, its not a fad
**Pontiac**
sweeeet!!
Originally Posted by ZAKdog
Here's a pic of my car in college (1984)...69 Firebird HO...the rims are the Pontiac Rallye II painted gloss black with the black hubs that have a red "PMD" in the middle...MAN! I loved that car!
I just let my R99's get filthy! and they keep getting darker and darker and darker... If someone touches them that means I must clean them but until that day I like my R99's DIRTY and even thinking about powder coating Jet black to match!!
-Josh
-Josh
seeee it (tach-ring)
thats funny dude.i love that center column-mount, tach.
i barely use the speedo when i drive! i drive w/tach!
(probably the reason why i have a slew of tickets)
Originally Posted by ZAKdog
I just remembered
look closely and you will see a chrome trim ring of the tach mounted on the steering column
The MINI was my density

look closely and you will see a chrome trim ring of the tach mounted on the steering columnThe MINI was my density

Originally Posted by Bullfrog
Back in the sixties (yeah, I'm that old) you weren't right unless you had "black mags" on your Chevelle. Five black spokes, silver rims. Remember Bullit's Mustang ? If it's a fad, it's a fifty year fad.







