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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by daffodildeb
Don't count on just buying a replacement runflat at the drop of the hat. Do you really think they'll be available when needed, rather than having to ship them in?
True, but I can drive to and from work for a week at posted speed limits with no air in them without exceeding the manufacturer's specs while awaiting replacement. I could also switch over to my winter tires.

With few MINIs here in Maine, popular non-runflat replacements aren't available off the shelf either.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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I'll bet a lot of Houstonians would love to be able to do that. I could run across town and be well past the specs.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 05:05 PM
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I saw a Toyota pickup with a flat tire on the side of the road today. It started me thinking. . . I haven't see a car on the side of the road with a flat in a long time. So I thought about all of the times in my life I've been on the side of the road with a flat. I could only think of three times (oh, many times in my driveway in the morning, a few times at work; and there were those pretty fast slow leaks). One was a blow out in a retread when I was in College. Another time in Mexico a tire we'd borrowed from some shop equipment (graduate school botanical expedition) and was probably 10 years old, failed. The other time was in summer in Arizona where the tire wasn't flat but the tread separated and flapped against the fender. I changed the tire but I could have limped to the next town as there was still plenty of air in it. None of these were in a MINI. College was thirty-five years ago.

Maybe the problem being solved with run flats isn't as great as most people assume. Let's see, in my life, stopped three times with flats and twice by accidents. . . .
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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I am a magnet, apparently. My 06 MCS has had one runflat replaced (under tire warranty for $25) due to a nail near the sidewall, and one other repaired for a screw in the tread. both were discovered at home, so no risk of being stranded.

I had 4!! nails in a span of 8 months in my old BMW. I guess I have bad luck.

That being said, I'll be ditching the runflats when they are worn out next summer.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BSUCardinalfan
I am a magnet, apparently. My 06 MCS has had one runflat replaced (under tire warranty for $25) due to a nail near the sidewall, and one other repaired for a screw in the tread. both were discovered at home, so no risk of being stranded..
I don't deny many flats over the years . . . those nasty nails and screws near the sidewall . . . but, come to think of it, not many have required limping home. Three in 42 years of driving. Only one with the sort of tire I would consider having now (that is to say, not a retread, not borrowed).

I like the analogy of the NFL player in sandles . . . I think real people laugh at a performance car with runflats. I know it is a BMW thing . . . but then there have been famous and charasmatic Germans with bad judgement.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueBonnet
Maybe the problem being solved with run flats isn't as great as most people assume. Let's see, in my life, stopped three times with flats and twice by accidents. . . .
I'm not quite as lucky. Three flats in 27 years, one in driveway, one in parking lot, one exiting airport. In addition to numerous nails, screws, etc. that did or did not cause leaks.
Though flats are an EV=P*C equation.
For a person unfamiliar with cars and/or unable/unwilling to change a flat in unpredictable circumstances, the 'cost' could be so high that even an extremely low probability makes the Expected Value (EV) high enough to justify the cost of runflats.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 12:23 AM
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If you do go non runflats do not use Fix-A-Flat the stuff will stick to everything inside the wheel and is hard to get off. Slime kits include a compressor and slime for 19.95 at alot of auto parts stores or the Kit from Mini which is very expensive at 121.00. Both of the last two the "goo" can be cleaned out with water.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 05:03 AM
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i had a flat in week 2 of driving my r56 (first flat in 10 years) and it cost my insurance co. $400 to replace and took 3 days at the dealer. RF's feel squidgy around the corners. i'm going AS non rf today
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by flaco
RF's feel squidgy around the corners.
My spell checkers says squidgy is not a word, but I like it

Mark
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:09 AM
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Woo!...i just put on my new SSR's and Goodyear F1 AS 215 45 -17 and it made a huge difference. Very solid around corners, more responsive to steering and suprisingly, cured most of my torque steer. Highly recommend Tirerack.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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thanks....maybe i've found the name of my car, "Squidgy". Squidgygate refers to the pre-1990 telephone conversations between the Diana, Princess of Wales and a close friend, James Gilbey, and to the controversy surrounding how those conversations were recorded. During the calls, Gilbey affectionately called Diana by the names "Squidgy" and "Squidge."
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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My 2 cents

I just replaced our stock run flats with the Continental run flats. The have a AA traction rating and ride much nicer then the stocker for about $130 installed a tire. I race only a few times a year and the car is my wife's primary ride. I tend to like the idea that if she gets a flat she can drive home and pull into the garage and call me. I would tend not to like the idea of her bent over in a downpour trying to stick some aerosol can in a valve that she have never seen before and along comes Bulba in his pickup truck with the slanty "3" stuck to the side wanting to give her a lift
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:19 AM
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LoL Winter here like 49f at night

Originally Posted by SuperMINIs
Run Flats stink in the winter unless they are A/S.
I decided to ditch them and am deciding on non runflats.
I have not had a flat in 10 years, but I willl carry my AAA Card, tire fix and a small compressor. Not a big deal for more comfort, and much lower replacement costs. 1/2 price for equivalent quality.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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Straight answer...the new runflats are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy better the first gen, period
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 09:57 AM
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goodyear F1 A/S

I have to give it to Goodyear.. man these tires rock. these should be a standard. I switched from the dunlops RF, to these yesterday... wow what a difference. The turn in is much crisper and now i have a confidence with these that i never had with the dunlops. I would highly suggest these as a replacement from the runflats.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Absolutely without a doubt better than runflats regarding handling, ride, and treadwear.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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Which Goodyears?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:30 AM
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When you switch to non-runflats with the stock 16" wheel, do people typically change the size of the tire? I find very little for all season non-runflat tires in the 195/55-16 size. I'm guessing a few different sizes actually fit that wheel.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperMINIs
Run Flats stink in the winter unless they are A/S.
I decided to ditch them and am deciding on non runflats.
I have not had a flat in 10 years, but I willl carry my AAA Card, tire fix and a small compressor. Not a big deal for more comfort, and much lower replacement costs. 1/2 price for equivalent quality.
Runflats stink period... I think peoples biggest gripes with them are the fact that driving with them is like driving on rocks. They're super uncomfortable, and have about as much grip as an eraser coated in olive oil. Swapping to non-runflats means you can buy tires for $79 instead of $200+, it also means that when you hit the brake the car actually stops instead of pulsating the ABS if you do anything more than breath on the pedal. All the complaints about traction control.... has more to do with crappy tires than a crappy traction control system!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gobble
When you switch to non-runflats with the stock 16" wheel, do people typically change the size of the tire? I find very little for all season non-runflat tires in the 195/55-16 size. I'm guessing a few different sizes actually fit that wheel.
I run 205/45/R16's on the street. I'll likely switch to 215/40/R16's when I need new tires. On the track I run 225/50/R16's, but that's just because I got a killer deal on them. When they're toast i'll likely get some 225/45's.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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As mentioned... we run non run flats for both of our MINIs (his and hers). you can check out tire rack for tires that fit. I'm running Kumhos and the misses yukos.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by goldcountrymini
As mentioned... we run non run flats for both of our MINIs (his and hers). you can check out tire rack for tires that fit. I'm running Kumhos and the misses yukos.
I run Parada Spec-2's on the street. Can't beat them for the price ($69). If you live in a sunny state and don't mind paying a bit more, Falken Azenies RT-615's are damn good, super sticky.

Parada Spec-2's are Ultra High Performance Summer and the RT-615's are Max Performance Summer

Toyo Proxies 4 and Kumho ASX are both decent compromises for performance/safety if you get a lot of wet weather or light snow.

I'm surprised MINIHune hasn't chimed in, being our resident tire expert .
 

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by daffodildeb
Which Goodyears?
Goodyear F1 All Season.
They handle and feel great.
About $146 tire installed at a Good Year dealer.

They have very new technologies built in like carbon fiber for some rigidity.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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'Kay, thanks. I'm getting near the time when I need to replace mine--and of course, if I have a flat now, I will change over at that time.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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goodyear F1 A/S..etc.

I had forgot to mention that the super annoying torque steer that i had with dunlops has been fixed with the non rf's. unless i am REALLY get in it, there is no chirp or pull, comparatively.

It's as if i am driving a different car.
 
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