What does this mean?

What did they help develop?

Please define "stern hand".

Thanks in advance.

 

Other than the below quoted in-thread references to the DMH/CROSS relationship, can you please show me where everyone is jumping on this bandwagon?

Maybe you're referring to this post:

However, I would argue that this post represents an example of how a well-informed consumer makes a solid decision. He researched the company, read actual reviews about the product/manufacturer and made his choice.

 

You all never mind Skiploder. He comes a running every time he hears there is a stern hand.

 

 

So here's my opinion, take it for what it,s worth. I did the install myself and had h-sport corner balanced and aligned. So far so good. Driving home on the 15 fwy there is about 6 spots with big bumps that usually throws my 110lb wife around or atleast make her butt come off the seat. I had m7 springs before with stock struts. Well today the suspension sucked it up and it was smooth enough for my wife's approval. That's as far as street driving ( set @ zero all around). front Camber @ 2.5 neg. corey at h-sport said i could of gone even more, not sure how much because i didn't even ask. and that's with the stock size springs. I quess it's more narrow in the middle of the springs. (they look stock) I'm a rookie when it comes to coilovers and don't have much to compare it to, but i know it's smoother then stock or m7 springs. And even the wifer stays planted to the seat. And she approved the purchase

 

As the recent post by mini-ff states the suspension guys at H-Sport were able to get 2.5 neg and could have gone more. How much more than that would one like to run ?

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

I'm at max negative camber and I am about 2.25 to 2.5 neg. which is fine for most of the time. I'd like to see the possibility to go to 3.0 negative, but I am fine until the optional springs are available. I believe these are going to be very comfortable on the street, but a little soft for track or autox. The upcoming optional springs will take care of that and the quality of these is above and beyond my Megans.

Steve

 

I thought this was a thread for M7 to answer questions, not ask them...

 

Maybe this thread should be renamed.

M7 Coilovers more questions than answers............

 

In our ongoing quest for improvment we are always looking for information. Thanks for the support and the bump .

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Why would I want coilovers in the first place?

 

!!

Tell us!

mb

 

I'm not implying anything, I don't know.

 

I have the M7 coilovers and H-sport camberplates. We are able to add over 3 degress of negative camber.

 

CROSS have been highlighted in Car&Driver in a Porsche Cayman with a 996 transplant. They liked the handling very much. I sat in this car...sweet!

 

No problem. I am always willing to bump for the truth. Support? I am glad you see it that way.

 

So I guess we're free to deduce whatever we wish...Joaquin's point makes sense to me; perhaps M7 is using a manufacturer that we could in fact contact and get the parts from at a cheaper price. If that's the case, then it would be bad business practice for M7 to disclose the info.

mb

 

Usually though, this isn't the case. E.g. Uni makes Alta's filter, but if you contact them they will not sell you the part, but refer you back to Alta. I think this just reflects good business relatonships between manufacturer and reseller/retailer.

 

Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks DrPhil. I'm still looking for a logical reason not to tell the community this information.

mb

 

Only if M7 beleives that they provide zero value-add. M7 is a design house and a re-seller. Resellers offer value in the form of customer service and convenience.

I'm not in the market for coilovers right now, but if I was, I wouldn't buy these until I knew who was making them. They look like an awesome setup (I particularly like the bottom adjustment on the rear damper), but I'm not parting with 1500 bucks for a damper of unknown origin. But that's just me. And a few others.

 

The Uni/Alta example was simply to point out that sometimes knowing the manufacturer/supplier doesn't help at all in obtaining the product for a lower price.
That said, your question is a very valid one, that I struggle with daily as an academic. I not only use information, I produce it, and share it through teaching and publishing. I believe information has value, but not all the same value. Some people have posted wondering what would change if they knew who the manufacturer was, others will not buy unless they know, others reserve judgement.
Peter won't tell me who makes them, and I'm one of the (fill in the descriptor of your choice) who actually paid $1500 for the product. Install is tomorrow, btw.

cheers,

 

I suppose this all washes away if you install them and they are exactly what you wanted/wished for. Problem is that not everyone either gets that lucky or is willing to take the risk. You trusted the company and it might pay a dividend for you. I hope it does.

mb

 

LOVE mine so far.

 

Re-badging an existing product is not the same as contracting out manufacturing services. The second implies that a designer(s) defined the performance parameters, and, is perhaps working with the manufacturer thru the R&D process...but no less, that the deisgner is performing R&D.

Those whom own the product typically sell to brokers and this method of selling a product increases the owner's distribution network...they would in fact be foolish if they sold directly.

The who, the R&D and the history are questions I personally like answers too...but I glazed over those questions about a year ago and regret it. So everyone else gets to regret their own decisions as well. Fortunately, however, we have lots of informed sources in place here so others do not have to regret their decisions. But not everyone can be protected from themselves.

 

You make good points, meb. While I don't believe in paternalism other than with my own kids, NAM is all about sharing--information, experience and opinion. Maybe even faith... But, that aside, I am going to install these COs tomorrow and I'll report on the install, the ride, the adjustment, and the track as best I can. I remember your many posts on the Megans--boy, I think we all went through it *with* you! I always try to be honest, sincere, and quantitative when I can. Qualitative also works for many people, in many circumstances, so I'll go there too, if I can.
I paid my money, I takes my turn...and I plan on reporting on it, to the world, through my website as I have done on many issues before.