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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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autox / dd alignment + '05+ rear camber?

'06 MCS with h-sport springs, adj. camber plates, 22mm rear sway.

Daily driver and autocrosser. Naturally enough, I want a good autox alignment while still having a safe and planted daily driver. I might do a HPDE or two, but mainly autox.

I know camber should have about a -1 difference between front and rear. What about toe in, and is caster even adjustable here? Slight toe in - front? rear?

And I know rear camber is slightly adjustable, but how much? If the H-Sports lower the car an 1", will I be seeing way too much rear camber? I'd really like to avoid the cost of adjustable rear control arms, but if they're a must then I want to know now.

Most gracious, danke.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RedSkunk
'06 MCS with h-sport springs, adj. camber plates, 22mm rear sway.

Daily driver and autocrosser. Naturally enough, I want a good autox alignment while still having a safe and planted daily driver. I might do a HPDE or two, but mainly autox.

I know camber should have about a -1 difference between front and rear. What about toe in, and is caster even adjustable here? Slight toe in - front? rear?

And I know rear camber is slightly adjustable, but how much? If the H-Sports lower the car an 1", will I be seeing way too much rear camber? I'd really like to avoid the cost of adjustable rear control arms, but if they're a must then I want to know now.
I'd suggest going with about -2 up front, -1.5 in the rear, toe-in at the rear, and 0 toe on the front, or a little toe-in on the front if you want some higher speed stability.

I'd get some rear control arms. Good adjustability, lighter weight and inexpensive. The stock rear arms don't offer much adjustability.

Oh, and get some adjustable swaybar droplinks to remove the preload in the swaybars...Much stronger too, so they can take a beating
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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I was wondering about the drop / endlinks. How much preload is there with this set-up?
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RedSkunk
I was wondering about the drop / endlinks. How much preload is there with this set-up?
Definately enough that you'll notice the difference. If you're lowered, there'll be even more. Preload doesn't allow the swabar to behave as well as it should...

The front swaybar is the one that needs 0 preload more. The rear is important, but not quite as the front
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by etalj
Definately enough that you'll notice the difference. If you're lowered, there'll be even more. Preload doesn't allow the swabar to behave as well as it should...

The front swaybar is the one that needs 0 preload more. The rear is important, but not quite as the front
I'll think about it.

But if anyone knows what sort of rear camber I'm looking at here...
 
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Old Mar 2, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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I'll think about it.

But if anyone knows what sort of rear camber I'm looking at here...
-1.5
 
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