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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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Wheel aligment

I am having a wheel alignment soon as well as tire change. Anyone has settings for it? I mean toe in/out... my car has stock shocks, 17'' wheels and 215/40r17 tires, strut bar and 22mm rear sway bar. We cannot go really fast here in tahiti so setting would be for curvy roads mainly
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 02:01 PM
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Ive heard of some people running:

front camber: -2.1°
rear camber: -1.6°
front toe: 0°
rear toe: 0°

Of course you need camber plates and 4 adjustable rear control arms to do this. I myself dont have either yet, but some adjustable camber plates from Ireland Engineering are on order.

With factory springs and dampers, you may run into clearance issues on the inside wheel well. The spring may rub the inside when camber is -2° or greater.

Regarding the swaybar, since you have the 22mm bar, set it to soft after you set your alignment to these specs. Adding camber in front like that reduces understeer so you wont need your bar on stiff. Once you get used to it and if you are a skilled driver, you could stiffen the bar.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by nabeshin
Ive heard of some people running:

front camber: -2.1°
rear camber: -1.6°
front toe: 0°
rear toe: 0°

Of course you need camber plates and 4 adjustable rear control arms to do this. I myself dont have either yet, but some adjustable camber plates from Ireland Engineering are on order.

With factory springs and dampers, you may run into clearance issues on the inside wheel well. The spring may rub the inside when camber is -2° or greater.

Regarding the swaybar, since you have the 22mm bar, set it to soft after you set your alignment to these specs. Adding camber in front like that reduces understeer so you wont need your bar on stiff. Once you get used to it and if you are a skilled driver, you could stiffen the bar.
You really don't need 4 rear camber bars, 2 will work very well and get you what you want.
I think your front camber suggestion is a bit overboard unless you own a tire store, but experimentation is the key to life in many ways.

Paul
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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i have rdr camber plates, helix lower rear control arms, m7 uss, progrid drop links, 19mm rear anti-sway bar and spax coilovers. my current set up is -2.4 front/-1.4 rear. zero toe front/rear. in about 7k miles, tire wear doesn't look to be too bad. don't sneeze while driving w/ this set up, as you will move over three lanes. w/ r-comp tires, these settings are very sweet on the track, too...the car is very stable in high speed corners and turns in nicely. maybe too aggressive for some on the street, but i've gotten used to it.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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i asked my dealer who has one of the best alignment guys in the
area (eric) to do the alignment. based on the ride height, i just told
them give me wat you recommend.

car feels good. it was a tad toe out from the 3yrs driving over
occasional bumps.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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A few words about toe settings, especialy 0 or negative; at speed, under braking, and during hard cornering front toe will change, usually going in the negative (toe out) direction. The more worn/aged the bushings are, the more change can be expected.

Stock spec per side is front .15 toe in, rear .20 toe in and -1.5 degrees camber, front camber -.5 is non-adjustable without camber plates. For street driving these are good settings to begin with. If you feel the need for more front end stick then step up to front camber plates.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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i agree with the stock alignment setting for everything but the front camber. Its straight up and down! That's crap. should be at least 1 deg up front.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by k-huevo
A few words about toe settings; at speed, under braking, and during hard cornering front toe will change, usually going in the negative (toe out) direction. The more worn/aged the bushings are, the more change can be expected.

Stock spec is front .15 toe in, rear .20 toe in and -1.5 degrees camber, front camber is non-adjustable without camber plates. For street driving these are good settings.
so .075 each .10 each?
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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toe will wear tire much faster than neg camber up to about 2 degrees neg. My tires do not show any premature signs of camber wear at 2.2 degrees neg. Toe has always been set at a hair in up front. Extreme toe angles will simply drag tires along the road.


Originally Posted by pberry51mini
You really don't need 4 rear camber bars, 2 will work very well and get you what you want.
I think your front camber suggestion is a bit overboard unless you own a tire store, but experimentation is the key to life in many ways.

Paul
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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I am currently at -1.7 and -1.9 with 0 toe up front, -1.55 in the rear with toe in at .05 rear. adding back in just a little toe helped with the stability of the car and reduced a lot of the tramlining I had with 0 all around.
 
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