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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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Alignment: Toe Settings.

Got an alignment done yesterday(H-sport springs installed two weeks ago) and I asked for zero toe up front with whatever camber I could get and slight toe in on the rear. and try best to match left to right.

Now According to the spec, now I have

Front (left, right)
Camber: -0.4, -0.6
Caster: 4.3, 4.5
Toe: 0.00, 0.00

Rear
Camber: -1.6, -2.0
Toe: -0.02, -0.05

I noticed toe is out of specified range. Is toe-in on the rear not recommended for MIni? Also I wish I could get more camber up front and less on the rear, but I'll have to wait until I could get some camber plates and rear links. Any comments on my current setup?
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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I would be more concerned with the specs lining up left to right. A little toe-in in the rear is not a bad thing, it just depends upon what else you've done and what you are looking for from your car.

Without getting into enormous detail, I had one set-up that used an 1/8"toe-out up front and an 1/8" toe-in in the rear. What I got was crisper turn-in, and a little stability out back. Try it.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 06:24 PM
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I always get this look when I demand the right and left to be exactly dead on. The tech showed me a tenth of a degree is so small it could change with slight pressure on the wrist.
How much difference is not acceptable?
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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camber i like it set L/R within 0.2 degrees.

toe, i prefer dead even L/R...

but you know, the calibration on the alignment machine could be off,
real world conditions will not require perfect alignment to get what
most people want from their street cars.

first, usually most alignment shops will not allow you to sit
in the car while they adjust... as soon as you sit in the car your
weight will change camber settings L/R and toe.

2nd, most of our cars are not corner balanced.

3rd, crown of the road...

...and much more...

if your car drives the way you like, you're good to go.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
......toe, i prefer dead even L/R...

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Don't think it could ever be anything but equal on both sides. Your steering wheel might be off a little though ..

I have a very good relationship with my alignment guy. We have noticed though that me getting in and out of the car make little or no difference. This might be due to my car being a bit stiffer.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by onasled
Don't think it could ever be anything but equal on both sides. Your steering wheel might be off a little though ..

I have a very good relationship with my alignment guy. We have noticed though that me getting in and out of the car make little or no difference. This might be due to my car being a bit stiffer.
yeh, for your race setup i think the car would barely move.
with cars running progressive rate springs like mine, it's a different
story.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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The alignment place I go to use free weights on the seats because they can't let me sit on it for insurance reasons. I'll probably wait until I can get some camber plates and rear links before going in for another alignment. So far I like how the car handles. Seems like rear toe-in helped with straight line stability.

Is there a specific order toe, camber, caster need to be adjusted in a Mini? In other cars(Miata) changing one will throw off others and adjusting them in specific order can minimize it.

Not sure why alignment is not weighted more in importance for the Mini. In a Miata, an alignment is the first "must-do" suspension mod that could make a huge difference.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 03:30 PM
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I am getting my h-sport springs with 22mm h-sprt rear sway bar and how much negative camber difference frm left to right should I consider?or, should I leave it the same? for street driving only, talking about rear wheels
 
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by onasled

I have a very good relationship with my alignment guy. We have noticed though that me getting in and out of the car make little or no difference. This might be due to my car being a bit stiffer.
When I was having trouble with alignment, the MINI dealer let me sit in the car and the difference in the front was noticeable. Then again, its probably way softer than Onasled. In the end, it really didn't make any noticeable difference.
 
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