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Suspension Creak/Groan with WMS Camber Plates?

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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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Creak/Groan with WMS Camber Plates?

Or for that matter anyones camber plates... Since I installed the WMS plates I've had a constant creaking and groaning when turning the wheel at slow speeds (parking for instance). It almost seems like the springs aren't seating in their perch correctly... a longer shot is that the mono ball is too tight and binding (if so, ironic since the plates were returned once for there being too much play).

I'm currently using stock shocks and springs and no other modifications were done at the time, so it looks to be either the part or the installation. Curious to see if anyone else has had this problem which might save time with troubleshooting.

Thanks in advance...


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Old Aug 13, 2005 | 02:37 AM
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The uniball housing on the webb plates keeps the upper spring seat from rotating freely. A ball peen hammer to the upper spring seat plate will help relieve this.
So what is happening is that the upper (factory) spring plate is now not able to spin with the spring, as it does with with the stock configuration, so now the spring is spinning against it when you have turned the wheel.
Also, you may have put too much camber in and the springs and top plate are hitting the upper tower.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2005 | 05:00 AM
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for the P&D plates, I went through several design editions for that strut bearing detail. the next to final solution was to use a 2" dia moly-filled nylon ball in an aluminum housing. that sqeaked and groaned, but showed virtually zero wear after 3000 miles. next change was to add a groove patterns to the ball, zerk fitting to the socket and grease it up. now much better after 15k miles.


there is a lot of precession movement during steering articulation; the spring plate travels in an elliptical path and can interfere with the fender.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2005 | 05:33 AM
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Thanks for the responses!

I'll take a look at trying onasled's suggestion. The camber setting is conservative at -1.8 so I doubt I'm having trouble with spring contacting the top plate. Once I switch to coil overs I might also switch to Ireland fixed plates since combined with the drop I should get to around -2.0 or perhaps to the adujstable ones. I'm not real thrilled about the fixing nuts for the WMS and unlike Greg (onasled) not willing to notch my strut towers to allow proper access to the nuts. My main impetus to using the plates is to cut down on tire wear during track days with the side benefit of improved handling.

Thanks again
 
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