Suspension Springs, struts, coilovers, sway-bars, camber plates, and all other modifications to suspension components for Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Suspension swaybars/strut braces/ ect ? help!!

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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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What's so intimidating about understeer?

It's as predictable as the sunrise.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 05:03 AM
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Quite honestly, the problem that exists here is one of degree, AND, this mode of communication. I do understand what Onasled is describing. Highly tuned suspensions systems, those set-up for track work for example, are typically described as close coupled. Meaning, there is very little warning between that last bit of grip and a slide...loss of control. Cars set-up this way typically have very high limits as well. So, when the crap hits the fan, or you've run out of talent - these two usually occupy the same space and time - it will do so suddenly and with much greater force than a stock set-up. Lots of lean and screeching tires telegraph the future far in advance. Stiff springs and dampers along with low profile tires do not. and, if yer driving a set of those realy nice track only sticky things, they let go NOW!

Understeer is still safer, and can be much quicker under some circumstances...within reasonable limits. Agreed Markbradford!
 
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by markbradford
The Mini pulls out of oversteer so easily and is so controllable. I love shaking the *** in it!
Then you're a better driver than I am.

At the BMW club driving school on the wet skidpad, if the instructor yanked the e-brake at the same time I lifted off the throttle, there was no hope of me saving the resulting spin. Yes, that's a slightly contrived case, but I wouldn't say that oversteer is easy to pull out of on a MINI, at least for me.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 06:17 AM
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what is tricky about understeer is that you need to steer less into the turn to counter-act it...the intuitive opposite...plus, don't you hate the feeling of pushing your tires sideways? .
 
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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...yes, and if you enter a turn - in this car - early enough you can indeed steer less.

I've found the mini exhibits drop throttle understeer and straightens out quite nicely under even throttle pressure. Kinda nice actually; if you want to keep moving efficiently, you gotta keep yer foot in it a little.
 
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