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Old Jun 27, 2008 | 05:23 AM
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My car was more or less brand new, when I installed the H&R-springs and the vibrations started...so there were no defective axles, joints or whatever! The only things changed were the springs, and I did the installation myself, so I know 100% that everything, every little screw etc. was installed 100% right! So no installation mistakes!!

The problem are the joints, in some german forums there have been "spacers" for the outside so the whole axle can't "vibrate", but that didn't work on all cars. Some other guys have "lifted" their engines by 10mm, on some cars (with a slight lowering only) that helped...

And the newest "thing" are some springs INSIDE the joints, because they found out, that the joint is "moving" quite a lot on some angles...

Maybe you can read and understand a little bit here:

http://www.newmini-technik.de/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

(see the last few pages...)
 
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Old Jun 27, 2008 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GrossmeisterB
My car was more or less brand new, when I installed the H&R-springs and the vibrations started...so there were no defective axles, joints or whatever! The only things changed were the springs, and I did the installation myself, so I know 100% that everything, every little screw etc. was installed 100% right! So no installation mistakes!!

The problem are the joints, in some german forums there have been "spacers" for the outside so the whole axle can't "vibrate", but that didn't work on all cars. Some other guys have "lifted" their engines by 10mm, on some cars (with a slight lowering only) that helped...

And the newest "thing" are some springs INSIDE the joints, because they found out, that the joint is "moving" quite a lot on some angles...

Maybe you can read and understand a little bit here:

http://www.newmini-technik.de/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

(see the last few pages...)
Good thing that I'm fluent in German. I'll check it out when I get home tonight. Has anyone messed up their CV joints driving around this way without addressing the issue?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Well....

I installed the TSW springs today and WOW...what a difference. The vibrations are gone, the ride is MUCH more comfortable and the handeling is better, too. The install was done by the same person. The only variable that changed was the springs. This prooves to me that the vibrations were coming from the H&R springs.

Do yourself a favor and get the TSW springs and save yourself a bunch of trouble. Best $200 I have spent yet.
 
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Old Aug 26, 2008 | 06:19 AM
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i cant believe this, i spent 1200 dollars on my kw v1 coilovers, im all excited to get it back yesterday and now i have these vibrations. granted, the rear is set way too low and the front can come up a bit. i really hope adjusting the ride height should help this.
it doesnt make sense that some people are just changing out one drive axle, either the front passenger or driver side and thats supposed to fix it, wouldnt both be equally affected? wish i wudda read this thread thoroughly before hand, but the car looks so damnnnn good lowered!!!


also, if i dont have any other suspension mods, ie camber plates, control arms etc., will an alignment even do anything?

i wanna raise the car up as soon as possible to hopefully fix this problem, but i cant do it till this weekend, u think its alright to drive like this for a few days?
 
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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I had 30 mm HR lowering springs installed on my 2008 MINI Cooper D this friday. It has only gone 11.500 km with the "MINI Sport suspension" (a 10mm drop).
I took it for a test drive and quickly noticed the vibrations/shaking when accelerating hard (especially in 2nd gear) - the shaking appears in the low end of the RPMS.
I will be hoping on a new "groove" to be run in soon. In the mean time i will have to live with the shaking.

Though, i wonder if the car will take damage driving with the shaking?
 
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Old Sep 14, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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The springs themselves dont directly cause the vibration, its the amount of the drop that changes the CV angle that causes it. TSW springs have a much lower drop than H&R's hence the angle change to the CV joints with TSW springs will be less than the H&R's.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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I first lowered my car with M7 springs and had no problem, except I did not like the look. I then installed a set of H&R coilovers and lowered the car about 2 inches and noticed this vibration in my front end. At this time I also installed new wheels and tires. Now yesterday, I finally got around to lowering my car some more. No finger gap at all, looks sick!! The vibration is so bad I can not go over 70 with out the fear of something is going to rip loose. I finally have my car the way I want it to look and now I can't even drive it? I'm going to take my wheels off the front and take them to get a high speed balance to try and see if that helps. Any thoughts? My car is a 05' with 24k miles, 23.5k miles with lowered suspension. The aftermarket wheels are 17" BBS with stock tire size. Maybe a wheel lost a weight or something? This sucks....

Christian
 
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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It is not your wheels.

Originally Posted by thisguyhatesyou
I first lowered my car with M7 springs and had no problem, except I did not like the look. I then installed a set of H&R coilovers and lowered the car about 2 inches and noticed this vibration in my front end. At this time I also installed new wheels and tires. Now yesterday, I finally got around to lowering my car some more. No finger gap at all, looks sick!! The vibration is so bad I can not go over 70 with out the fear of something is going to rip loose. I finally have my car the way I want it to look and now I can't even drive it? I'm going to take my wheels off the front and take them to get a high speed balance to try and see if that helps. Any thoughts? My car is a 05' with 24k miles, 23.5k miles with lowered suspension. The aftermarket wheels are 17" BBS with stock tire size. Maybe a wheel lost a weight or something? This sucks....

Christian
 
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 02:19 PM
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Definitely not, it's the driveshafts. You're going to wear them out much faster than normal keeping the car so low, sorry but you've got to rise it until the vibration disappears. Or, you can keep it this way, but then know that you'll be changing driveshafts much more often.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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This is so odd? I have always lowered my cars, well I have always slammed my cars and have never ran into this problem at all This is a first with my mini. Is there anything I can do that anyone can think of so I can keep my car this low? Are you guys sure it's the axles, it does sound like it though. Thanks in advance again,

Christian.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2008 | 10:12 PM
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Yes I'm sure because I know people who had the same prob here in Italy, they pulled the car back up to almost stock height (only 1-1,5 inches lower) and the vibration disappeared
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 09:40 AM
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So does anyone have a solution to the vibration, my hsport springs look to good to go back to stock, plus they help in the twisties. If anyone has a solution that does not involve going back to stock, post it. I NEED A SOLUTION!!!!! haha just like everyone else on here
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Well, sadly I don't know of any solution that isn't reducing the lowering to around one inch, one and a half at tops. But to me this is not a big problem, here in Italy roads are often ruined so I wouldn't be able to lower it too much anyway...
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MerchoMini
So does anyone have a solution to the vibration, my hsport springs look to good to go back to stock, plus they help in the twisties. If anyone has a solution that does not involve going back to stock, post it. I NEED A SOLUTION!!!!! haha just like everyone else on here

Take a look here:
http://www.newmini-technik.de/viewto...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Page 22,halfway down the page. The post with 10 images attached has an answer.
The German text won't help you but the pics provide enough info to fix your problem.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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Dropped my car today on h-sports and have the vibration. Car has 65k on it. Maybe has to do with supplier of the cv joints? Or are all the cv joints sourced from the same manufacturer?

I had the exact same vibration on a VW Jetta when the cv joint was about to go.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 04:34 PM
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Anybody with H&R springs on an '09 MCS that has the vibration? I just ordered H&R springs but this thread makes me cringe.

EDIT: I just noticed that this is the 1st gen sub-forum. Sorry...... got here via search.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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ok i know this thread is old but i still have the vibration. the worst part of it is that i returned to the stock springs so i don't know what to do. can anyone tell me how much mini charges for a cv and installation. incase the warranty does not cover it.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DanSeals
Dropped my car today on h-sports and have the vibration. Car has 65k on it. Maybe has to do with supplier of the cv joints? Or are all the cv joints sourced from the same manufacturer?

I had the exact same vibration on a VW Jetta when the cv joint was about to go.
After installing IE fixed camber plates, Koni fsd shocks and getting a good alignment I very rarely ever feel the vibration anymore and when I do it is very slight.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DanSeals
After installing IE fixed camber plates, Koni fsd shocks and getting a good alignment I very rarely ever feel the vibration anymore and when I do it is very slight.
Do the IE fixed camber plates raise the height of the vehicle at all?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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Yes, After installing the IE fixed plates and Koni fsd I am up a 1/4 inch after just installing the h-sports alone. That is measured not eyeballed.
When comparing the Koni shocks to the stock ones I doubt they had any effect on ride height. The IE camber plates were definitely thicker than the stock ones.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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I have not seen this thread pop up for sometime. Any luck on getting rid of the vibration?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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increasing the front camber seemed to lessen the vibration for me. i still have a little bit, but i hardly notice it. been that way for over 2 years. increasing the front camber pushes the axle back into the inner cage, back into its "happy spot". i suppose you could add a thin washer behind the hub on the axle splines to accomplish the same thing, though i have never tried that. you will never get rid of all vibration until you go back to stock height.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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I just installed h&r coilovers today with them adjusted all the way up in the front, and have the same vibration. Immediately I thought it was cv joint related. Anyone have more info on this spring-fix method? I saw the pics in the aforementioned post, but how does it actually work?
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 06:31 AM
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update: made a 1/2" aluminum spacer to raise the car up front, and most of the vibration went away.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by wkndracr
update: made a 1/2" aluminum spacer to raise the car up front, and most of the vibration went away.
So is the car even lowered at this point?
 
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