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4 cylinders, 0 compression. Timing set wrong?

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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 04:51 PM
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4 cylinders, 0 compression. Timing set wrong?

So I just rebuilt my w10 Cooper engine, and tried to crank it over for the first time this weekend. Turned the key and the engine wants to start, but I get nothing. So I do a compression test and all 4 cylinders and each one comes back with no compression. Head was done with all new valves, seals, rockers, etc. So I'm pretty sure I'm not leaking. The only thing I didn't replace were the springs but those tested out fine (and operate fine when I manually spin the engine).

So I'm thinking that my timing may be off a bit and the valves are opening/closing slightly off. I've done timing a hundred times before on other cars, but this is my first on the mini. Here's how I set it:

  • Cylinder one TDC
  • Cylinder one valves are both closed
  • Cylinder four exhaust valve is open, intake closed
  • Camshaft tick is pointing at 12:00 (I used the camshaft tool to lock it in)
Does this look right for stock timing?


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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 05:22 PM
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The proper way to set timing is to align the copper colored timing chain links with the respective marks on the crank and cam sprockets. Non-quantitative observations of the timing are pretty much worthless.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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Thanks. I've read a few contradicting things about those links (and I believe that one of the service manuals or scanned PDFs floating around says to ignore those completely when redoing the timing).

So as long as the cam is at 12:00 and I have the gold link lined up on the cam, I know where to position the crank, correct?


Also - I've read on a few forums that the actual link should be one off on the cam and that the manual is wrong. Any truth to this?
 

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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 06:06 PM
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NO NO NO

Set it up with the 2 links with the 2 arrows on the lower sprocket and the single link on the cam sprocket--cam lock tool is just to allow you to tighten the cam sprocket.

You may have no compression because you have bent the valves---these ARE INTERFERENCE MOTORS--improper time will cost you much $$$$
 
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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 1qwkmini
You may have no compression because you have bent the valves---these ARE INTERFERENCE MOTORS--improper time will cost you much $$$$
Ouch.....might be time to start the new rebuild again....
Yes, the rR0 has higher compression pistons.....so unlike the r53 (s), it IS an interference motor.....
Ouch....
 

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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 1qwkmini
NO NO NO

Set it up with the 2 links with the 2 arrows on the lower sprocket and the single link on the cam sprocket--cam lock tool is just to allow you to tighten the cam sprocket.

You may have no compression because you have bent the valves---these ARE INTERFERENCE MOTORS--improper time will cost you much $$$$
Got it. I'll be sure that they are properly lined up on both sprockets, thanks!

With regards to the potential that I bent valves, I'm crossing my fingers otherwise. While the engine turned over, it never started...
 
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Old Aug 4, 2014 | 03:41 AM
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You can still bend the valves--doesn't matter if it started--simply the starter turning over the motor is enough to bend them. Plus the turning over for compression test.

As far as I know w10 and w11 are both interference motors!!!
 
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Old Aug 9, 2014 | 04:47 PM
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Thanks guys - learned my lesson here. Redid timing with the links/ticks and timing sounds/looks good now.
 
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