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HELP!...Turbo Oil Feed line is leaking!

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Old 11-29-2012, 05:01 PM
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This may be a bit late, but I looked at my oil line today and it's loose as a goose. All I did was touch it. Hopefully the pump is not toasted. About 95K on ours. No oil smell or visible unless it's below. It's going to Waterloo Motors because I'm not doing it in this weather, but if the pump is gone, that may be another issue. The wife said something about trashing it if it too expensive, but I may spend the time to replace things with it in the barn on decent days just to get it going. I've really been dissapointed with this car. I could buy her a nice Miata for the price of the pump and repair. Maybe even a Mazda Speed.
 
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We got the Detroit Tuning oil line and the gasket today and the car is going in on Monday to Warrenton Foreign Car. This should be interesting, if not another $500.
 
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I took it into Warrenton Foreign Car today for installation of the DT oil feed line. I noticed when I touched it the other day the pipe went into the fitting about 1/4" or so, so I didn't touch it any more. I had the wife start it up today when I was watching it, and I didn't see any oil, but the line moved back out, so it's probably sealing itself under oil pressure, but if the o-ring goes, that's it for the turbo most likely.
 
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:12 PM
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$600 later and it's done.

Any other car this would have been a recall. I don't know how they get away with it.
 
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Wife reports it doesn't sound so much like a diesel now. She took it on a 120 mile jaunt into DC the other day.
 
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Originally Posted by Benibiker
Does anyone know or have an opinion on whether an M7 heat shield makes this problem more likely or less likely? As you can see the line is under the shield maybe being exposed to more heat...
I am told that the heat shield plays little part in the oil supply line going bad. The o-ring inside suffers from the 'not a matter of if, but a matter of when' problem. A bad design is to blame here.
 
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:55 PM
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Okay, so I just had the displeasure of finding my oil line broke this last Saturday morning. It wasn't leaking oil like crazy but a fine mist of oil covering my valve cover and the hot side boost tube. Luckily my oil line was pushed inwards - towards the front of the car - I think it was still delivering oil to the turbo(?).

My inquiry is: Did anyone else drive around for few days like this? What are the odds my turbo was starved of oil? What are the odds it was delivering oil to the turbo this whole time?

With an AP attached I am a pretty spirited driver and exercise my turbo rights often. I hope I did not eff up the turbo, poor little guy...

Nonetheless, I have a DT oil line and return line on order and will be jumping into this repair soon. I'll try and keep you all posted on procedure, times and what not.
 
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Everyday I'm Motorin
Yes, all of it came out of the fitting where the stainless tube and banjo connector meet. No clogging, thank goodness. There is an o-ring under the tapered fitting that failed. I admit that when I finally saw all the oil on the engine, I though their had to be something in addition to the feed line leaking and I got a worried that I had multiple problems. I ran this all by a trusted friend of mine who is an ASE mechanic and he reminded me that the line probably contains 60 pounds of pressure when the pump is running and that much oil is absolutely possible from that one failed fitting. I trusted his advice and continued on with fixing the feed line. Turns out he was right. I'm driving around leak free after just replacing the feed line.

This must have been going on for a few weeks. The weird thing was I never saw any oil spots on my driveway. I always look for these types of signs that something might be wrong but it never happened. I saw and smelt a little smoke when I got home one evening and noticed I had a problem. I attempted to get it the dealer the next day but I only got 5 miles down the road before I though she was on fire under the bonnet because of the amount of smoke. Scary moment for sure.

And yes, the line can clog without regular oil changes. When I first got my MINI, I visited with the MINI service adviser and a tech that was hanging out in the customer area. I asked what to watch out for and what consistent problems they saw with my type of MINI and what to do to prevent problems. The first thing from both of their mouths was don't change the oil at the regular service intervals (15k miles). Change it every 7 or 8 thousand miles to avoid oil lines getting clogged and seizing the turbo.
Your words are inspirering and keep my hopes up that I did not mess up my turbo. 60 PSI is a lot and if the oil line was clogged there would be a lot more oil all over my engine bay. My line was barely wet
 
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When I noticed our feed line was loose, I left it alone for about a week until we were ready to take it into the shop. Had the wife start it up while I watched it and the line pushed itself back out of the fitting, so most likely the oil pressure was pushing against the o-ring and forcing the line back so it was pretty much sealed. I never did see any oil coming out of ours. Anyhow the Detroit Tuned line seems a good fit and will probably last the life of the car. But that doesn't negate that it's still bad engineering and should have been a recall. Is there any gov't agency we can whine to? $600 is not cheap to put on an oil line and most likely everyone's line that hasn't been changed out is waiting to go.
 
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DogT
When I noticed our feed line was loose, I left it alone for about a week until we were ready to take it into the shop. Had the wife start it up while I watched it and the line pushed itself back out of the fitting, so most likely the oil pressure was pushing against the o-ring and forcing the line back so it was pretty much sealed. I never did see any oil coming out of ours. Anyhow the Detroit Tuned line seems a good fit and will probably last the life of the car. But that doesn't negate that it's still bad engineering and should have been a recall. Is there any gov't agency we can whine to? $600 is not cheap to put on an oil line and most likely everyone's line that hasn't been changed out is waiting to go.
Contact (via their website) the NHTSA. File a complaint regarding the situation. Although it's not life threatening the issue is only considered a TSB, only if the problem threatens life will it be considered a recall. It is possible that with enough complaints the NHTSA could make Mini pay for the repair regardless of warranty status of the car.
 
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Originally Posted by Everyday I'm Motorin
Well, I’m almost done. All that remains is securing the lower heat shield and re-installing the upper heat shield followed by a good engine cleaning. Let’s just say this project hasn’t been easy and it didn’t take me 5 hours as many have said it could. I’ve got closer to 10 invested in this project. I’m a novice shadetree mechanic and prefer to take my time. I’ve found that speeding through any repair only leads to frustration and headaches so I’ve learned to take my time. The more experienced mechanic would surly finish this in 5 hours or less.

I’ll overview my experience below to coincide with other write-ups that have previously been done. Every car is different and each present its own set of challenges so I figure sharing these will only help pay it forward. I’m sure more of these repairs will be attempted by MINI owners as this OEM part is clearly flawed by design and waiting to fail.

First, I wouldn’t recommend buying the OEM replacement and risk doing this again. Get a good aftermarket stainless steel braided line from any one of the companies mentioned above. I went with Detroit Tuned and was happy with the line I received. It was more expensive than custom ordering a line to fit but less expensive than the OEM. And it took the risk and guesswork out of getting the part right the first time.

Second, get a new exhaust gasket to go between the turbo and downpipe. $10 from the dealer is worth the peace of mind knowing an exhaust leak won’t happen from reusing the old.

Before you begin, make sure you have the proper tools handy. This prevents chasing down tools and dragging this project out longer than necessary. This is based on first hand experience

You’ll need:

Metric wrenches (the longer the better)
Metric Sockets (Regular and Deep Wall)
Ratchet with various size extensions
Reversible ratcheting metric wrenches (not a requirement but it would have been REALLY nice to have)
Oxygen Sensor Socket (I borrowed mine from Advance Auto)
Long Breaker Bar (My car was assembled by a Gorilla!)
Torque Wrench
PB Blaster (penetrating solvent)
Brake Cleaner
Lots of elbow grease and patience
Other common tools

1. Top heat shield comes off.
a. The top 3 10mm screws are easy but the front 3 screws are a completely different story. I had to tape my short wrench to a 12” ratchet extension to reach the middle and drivers side screws. The torque on these wasn’t much so the masking tape held up fine. I had to remove the drivers side screw from below but the middle and passenger side I was able to remove from above. TIP: Loosen the bracket holding the O2 sensor wire and rotate it up slightly to fully extract the passenger side screw.

b. Use the O2 sensor socket and breaker bar to remove the top O2 sensor from the downpipe. Give it a shot of PB Blaster if necessary. I tried an adjustable wrench but I couldn’t get the right angle to get a good bite. I don’t think it would have done any good anyways. This sensor wasn’t coming out without some serious leverage.

c. Now work the heat shield free the grips of the engine and move on.

2. Use the O2 sensor socket again to remove the lower sensor from the downpipe.

3. Remove the V-Band Clamp connecting the downpipe from the rest of the exhaust. The bolt on mine had a good coat of rust. A wire brush and a little PB Blaster cleaned it up before I cracked it loose using a deep wall socket and a breaker bar. Did I mention a gorilla assembled my car? Use whatever method you can to expand the clamp enough to slide it towards the rear. This is a crappy design in my opinion. I used two screwdrivers and inserted them through the bolt holes in a crossing pattern and pried it open that way. Once you mess with it a bit, you’ll get the idea. This didn’t work so well getting it back on. I had to use some channel locks and strong muscles to work it back into place.

4. On to the lower heat shield now. Not quite as bad as the upper. From below the car, remove the 4 screws holding it to the other heat shield that is mounted to the engine. It has 2 screws on each side that are identical to the ones from above. Don’t try and remove the heat shield just yet. Let it hand there for a bit longer.

5. The downpipe has a bracket welded to it that secures it to the engine. Remove the two nuts that secure this bracket to the engine. They’re in a vertical position. Once those are off, just above it are two copper nuts that hold two more brackets to the engine block in a horizontal position (these brackets are what the downpipe bracket was attached to). Loosen these brackets by removing the copper nuts halfway. You’ll need a deep wall socket.

5. Time to separate the downpipe from the turbo. Here again I used a deep wall socket and breaker bar. For me, two of the three studs came out. The top stud stayed in while the nut came off. For others, the studs stayed in place and just the nuts came off.

6. Work the downpipe off the stud(s). Since you’re no longer attached from below, you have the ability maneuver the downpipe quite a bit to get it free. Just maneuver the heat shield around to give you enough clearance to move the downpipe to the left. Once free, remove the downpipe from below the car and set it aside. TIP: Pay attention to which direction the gasket is facing and which stud the oval shaped hole is on for a worry free gasket re-install.

7. Remove the lower heat shield from below the car as well. This can be done without having to flex it or bend it in any way. I was able to maneuver it past hoses and other obstacles pretty easily.

8. Time to remove the last heat shield.
a. You’ll first have to swing the turbo support bracket that’s attached to the engine out of the way. Remove the bolt that attaches the bracket to the engine block. If you can, loosen the other end of the bracket but don’t remove it. Again, the gorilla that built my car really didn’t want this bracket to go anywhere. I couldn’t get a socket on this bolt and I couldn’t get a wrench to budge it either so I grabbed hold of the bracket and pulled with everything I had. After several pulls, I was able to get it to move over about 4 inches.

b. Finish removing the copper nuts from earlier and the two screws holding the top of the shield and it’ll fall right out.

9. At this point I removed the OEM feed line from below the car and followed the directions provided by Detroit Tuned to install their aftermarket line.

10. Use brake cleaner to remove any dirt and oil on the heat shields and wipe down any areas in the engine compartment that have oil on them. Mine was heavily covered with oil so I spent quite a bit of time cleaning up.

11. Put it all back together in reverse order.

Happy Motoring
Wow, THANK YOU for the step by step instructions, obviously you have been there done that! Me too now, just finished replacing the OEM line which i wish i read more before and got a flex braided line....Would have made routing it easier.. However it was just how you described it would be too, patience needed!!! That heat sheild was a pain in the *** and also i had trouble routing the new oem but it eventually fell into place, also the brackets holding the down pipe at the bottom seemed difficult to get back together. I didnt have any parts left over so I am happy, of course I havent started it up yet so I can only hope everything is ok. THANKS AGAIN, much appreciated, now if you could just help me with this damn p2885 code i would have a good tune and no cel lights popping up.....
 
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Just received my Detroit Tuned oil supply line and return line (do both while you are there! The return line fails shortly after) and will have them in this weekend depending if neighbor lets me use his garage.

I'll keep you all posted.
 
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I didnt have any parts left over so I am happy,
Now that is a job well done!
 
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Sooo I noticed something after I had the car all apart, the lines that I ordered were the OEM Mini lines (can you hear me crying?). I thought I was purchasing a DT hardline. Nope! I messed up in ordering and installed a line that will fail again in 40k +/- miles. What a shame.

The good news you ask? I did this job in under 4 hours. So when I have to do it again this will be a piece of cake. If you wanna call that good news, lol.

So here is what I learned from my time spent under the hood:

-Two 10mm heat shield bolts in front of the radiator (upper heat shield), way easier to remove/install from the bottom of the car.
-Put two nuts (other than the stud nuts) on the studs threaded to the turbo. Bind them a little bit and pull the studs out the turbo, it is more difficult to try and slip the DP off the stud, it just did not move far enough to the passenger side to get the DP over the studs. The heat shield just created too much interference for me. Pulling the studs made this so EASY and took a few minutes to unthread!
-I removed the two brackets from the engine that support the DP at the bottom (near V-Clamp), it just helped ease the removal of the DP.
-Careful with the lower/front heat shield, it bends easily when you pull it out WITH the DP. It can make getting bolt holes to align a little more difficult during reassembly.

Let me know if anyone has any questions, except what supply line to buy (I hate myself). LOL.

Matt
 
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Originally Posted by Benibiker
Does anyone know or have an opinion on whether an M7 heat shield makes this problem more likely or less likely? As you can see the line is under the shield maybe being exposed to more heat...
I had a friend who use to have one of these on his car, one lap on the nurburgring and it melted a hole in his valve cover and shot oil onto the turbo which started a fire. But I would say for around the city driving it wouldn't be a bad mod. I used the stock shield and swapped out the oil line at 55k. Works like a charm
 
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Just finished installing the Detroit Tuned Kit. No major issues except, due to my large hands, I decided to put the car into Radiator Support Service Mode.
I followed the Bentley Manual instructions but No Joy...the front end wouldn't budge. Turns out that the B manual omits a very important step about removing the nuts on 6 radiator support studs hidden behind the front bumper trim! Bentley does however have a YouTube video, available on their website, that shows exactly how to do it.
Made the oil line replacement much easier...for me.

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Does anyone have the proper torqued for reassembly?
 
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22 ft/lbs for the banjo bolts. If you need others I can look them up.

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22 ft/lbs for the banjo bolts. If you need others I can look them up.

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Thanks. I don't have any of them, but the downpipe ones would be useful.
 
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I'm going to have Detroit Tuned do the work for me. Luckily I live about 10 minutes away from their shop. Having both feed and return line replaced and I need a Valve Gasket replaced also. The MINI dealer wanted $2100 to do the same repairs!
 
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Thanks. I don't have any of them, but the downpipe ones would be useful.
Well,...I can't help after all. My Bentley manual has almost all of the parts on every picture/diagram of the exhaust system mislabeled! They also give no torque specs for downpipe (catalytic convertor) to turbo. I know that the value for the oil line banjo bolts is correct. Hopefully someone else will jump in.

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I spent about 6 hours yesterday installing the DT Turbo oil line and return line. The most difficult part of the entire thing was the heat shields. I would add a 10mm ratcheting wrench to the requirement list for this job. I'm not sure how I would have gotten them off without it. I didn't need a O2 sensor wrench, however. I was able to remove both of them with a 22mm combo wrench. The return line was a bit difficult to get off on the lower end. I ended up prying it off of the bottom while tugging on the top of it with a pair of channellocks. I did find a few missing parts under the car. One of the copper exhaust nuts was missing, as well as the drivers side skid plate. As the local dealer has been the only one to to engine work previously, i think i may have a chat with them. Not a bad job overall, and definitely worth doing yourself to save the cash. Thanks to Everyday I'm Motorin for the detailed post, it was very helpful.
 
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Here is a picture confirming that the stock turbo oil-feed line does indeed utilize an O-ring (probably Buna-N or Viton). This pic is of the block end and the O-ring is still intact (except where I cut it). The O-ring on the turbo end was dust.


https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...g/ppuser/73139

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Originally Posted by Yakatak
Here is a picture confirming that the stock turbo oil-feed line does indeed utilize an O-ring (probably Buna-N or Viton). This pic is of the block end and the O-ring is still intact (except where I cut it). The O-ring on the turbo end was dust.
Well lookie there. That's pretty cool.
 

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