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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 02:27 PM
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Remote Oil Filter

Like many of you, I don't like the OEM oil filter system.
I would like to install a remote oil filter on my R50. Something like this:
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...?part=trd-1028

Some questions;

Is there anywhere on the stock engine (non S) where I can access the oil flow to tap in lines for a remote oil filter ? If so, where ?

If so and a remote oil filter was installed, could the OEM filter be just removed and the OEM filter cavity just left empty with the screw on cover installed ?

Thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Once you know and do the proper technique for changing the filter, I think it would be a lot easier to just change the existing filter than go to all the hassle of designing or fabricating or figuring out a remote.

If you do it right, it is very easy.

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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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It is also very easy to do it wrong............
The dealer's mechanic somehow nicked the O ring and my MINI lost all 5 quarts in two days

In 40 years of cars and hundreds of spin on filter changes, I have never had such a critical failure occur.
Adding a spin on filter is pretty easy IF there is a place to tap into the oil flow.......like lines to an oil cooler. Have done it several times on previous cars.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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why not just do the oil change yourself? or is your car still under warranty? the twist is that on minis and bmws it's not just a spin on filter so it's easy for people who're new to it (even mechanics) to screw up. hence just diy

but i hear you. i have no idea why bmw designed the oil filter as so, nor do i know the advantage of this design
 
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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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From: Washington. No, the other one.
Haven't found any fittings, plugged or otherwise, on the engine that could be used to the Transdapt-type remote. OP sensor only supplies you with one fitting and you'll still need another to complete the loop.
There are, however parts of the engine that I really haven't examined, but my gut feeling is without some kind of adaptor that fits the oil filter housing it's a no-go.
Mayhap someone who's pulled the engine has some insight for you. Luck.
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Old May 1, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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Yes, there is....

You can use the oil "cooler" ports to install a remote filter. You'd have to buy Mini Madness' plate adapter for an oil cooler, or have one made somewhere, and instead of runing the oil through a cooler run it to a remote filter adapter. And...you might have to have a plate made for the remote oil filter adapter if it didn't thread directly to a hose fitting.

Not inexpensive but very do-able.The issue would be where you'd mount the remote filter adapter but there are some places that I think could be made to work.

Be sure to share what you do and how it tuns out if you come up with something...
 

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Old May 1, 2008 | 10:24 AM
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If you used the oil cooler adapter plate to add a remote filter, I'm assuming you would just remove the factory filter element entirely and let the oil flow freely though the stock filter housing. Any problems with this? (I can't recall from my last oil change whether the stock filter element pushes on a spring-operated valve or anything like that.) I'd hate to find out that removing the stock filter element would either cause the oil flow to be blocked, or allow the oil to bypass the cooler plate adapter (and thus, bypass the remote filter).
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ScottRiqui
If you used the oil cooler adapter plate to add a remote filter, I'm assuming you would just remove the factory filter element entirely and let the oil flow freely though the stock filter housing. Any problems with this? (I can't recall from my last oil change whether the stock filter element pushes on a spring-operated valve or anything like that.) I'd hate to find out that removing the stock filter element would either cause the oil flow to be blocked, or allow the oil to bypass the cooler plate adapter (and thus, bypass the remote filter).
All good points ......not sure how to determine the answers. At this point I am just looking at the possibilities
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by roaduscarnivorous

but i hear you. i have no idea why bmw designed the oil filter as so, nor do i know the advantage of this design
it's more environmentally friendly since there is no metal in the oil filter element vs a traditional oil filter with a metal housing.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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From: Washington. No, the other one.
That spring assembly might be part of an anti-drainback valve to keep some oil in the upper end for startups. Not sure, but there is a bunch of oil in the housing if you just unscrew it completly instead of a little bit to allow the oil to drain. Just wonderin'.
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Old May 1, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Moss Mini used to sell these adapters, specifically for Mini Coopers. They discontinued them and that is a shame. Cobalt Precision Automotive manufactured them. I have been searching everywhere since reading this thread and have been unsuccessful sofar. Does anyone have a clue where this adapter could be purchased? Sure would like to have one to eliminate the hassle of a crossthreading potential. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...filter+adapter
 
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Old May 2, 2008 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner
That spring assembly might be part of an anti-drainback valve to keep some oil in the upper end for startups.
This is the main problem with a remote filter set-up. Creating some sort of adapter than maintains the anti-drain back function. After fighting with the OE filter a couple of times, I almost bought the Moss set up, until I realized it doesn't relocate the filter. It actually made it worse, IIRC, as it replaced the canister with an inverted spin-on type. Worst of all worlds... hard to get to and guaranteed to drip oil everywhere upon removal.

Yes, I agree the filter is a PITA. However, I also agree that R&R'ing does get easier with experience. The past two oil changes I've done I was able to thread the cap on first-shot with no leaks.
 
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Old May 2, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by IanF
, I almost bought the Moss set up, until I realized it doesn't relocate the filter. It actually made it worse, IIRC, as it replaced the canister with an inverted spin-on type. Worst of all worlds... hard to get to and guaranteed to drip oil everywhere upon removal.
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Yes I agree, and upside down spin on would not help much.
I was more interested in porting out to oil lines that would hook up to a spin on mounted in the bonnet.......if there was room .

The Oil cooler lines on the MCS would do fine, but none on the MC. Wonder if the entire MCS oil filter assembly, which has the oil cooler ports, will also bolt onto a MC block ?
 
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Old May 2, 2008 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mellowmcs
it's more environmentally friendly since there is no metal in the oil filter element vs a traditional oil filter with a metal housing.
Until 5 quarts of oil are spilled into the environment due to a nicked O ring or mis threaded cap
 
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Old May 2, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jrprich
Until 5 quarts of oil are spilled into the environment due to a nicked O ring or mis threaded cap
well BMW has no control over individual actions or rather screw ups
 
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Old May 2, 2008 | 02:42 PM
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Did they ever

Originally Posted by buzzsaw
Moss Mini used to sell these adapters, specifically for Mini Coopers. They discontinued them and that is a shame. Cobalt Precision Automotive manufactured them. I have been searching everywhere since reading this thread and have been unsuccessful sofar. Does anyone have a clue where this adapter could be purchased? Sure would like to have one to eliminate the hassle of a crossthreading potential. https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...filter+adapter
Does ANYONE have one of these. I believe that was a catalog error. It showed the very same pictures as appear for the Miata relocation kit...which uses a spin on. I was never able to get the item to pull up on the web-site. And as noted by many, it disappeared FAST.

This is an easy bolt on mod on the Miata. I've no idea how the system that appears in the picture could ever fit on a MINI. I'll have to look around and see if I still have the old MOSS catalog this appeared in. I stumbled on it just recently when I was looking at older catalogs for rotor prices and jumped to buy one....but the part was no more. I wonder if the part number actually matches that for the Miata?
 
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Old May 2, 2008 | 06:58 PM
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They discontinued making it. Closed it out sold the last wholesale one to Mini Mania. There was a slow sales record overall so like many other of there house made parts with slow sales histories it was discontinued. I talked with them a year ago and was told they are not interested in making them again to offer as a MOSS product. However is you want a minimum lot of 75 they will make a good deal on them .

Capt_bj I have all the Moss Mini catalogs all the way back to 2002. Which picture would you like.
 
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Old May 5, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
They discontinued making it. Closed it out sold the last wholesale one to Mini Mania. There was a slow sales record overall so like many other of there house made parts with slow sales histories it was discontinued. I talked with them a year ago and was told they are not interested in making them again to offer as a MOSS product. However is you want a minimum lot of 75 they will make a good deal on them .

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75.......perhaps there are 75 members that want to do a group buy ?

How much did these kits sell for when they were available ?
 
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Old May 5, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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Count me in on a group buy!
 

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Old May 5, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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That didn't answer

Originally Posted by Nitrominis
They discontinued making it. Closed it out sold the last wholesale one to Mini Mania. There was a slow sales record overall so like many other of there house made parts with slow sales histories it was discontinued. I talked with them a year ago and was told they are not interested in making them again to offer as a MOSS product. However is you want a minimum lot of 75 they will make a good deal on them .

Capt_bj I have all the Moss Mini catalogs all the way back to 2002. Which picture would you like.
That didn't answer "does anyone actually have one....."

No seller actually admits to having one....

if they sold out so fast...where did they go? This wasn't "available" long enuf to determine a sales record.

slow sales in one catalog? Come on....make up a better story then that....seems there's a significant market out here yet they were dropped for lack of demand?

will one person with one of these come forward?

Send me the address where you contacted cobalt and on their confirmation I'l post a retraction.

I still say - it was NEVER available
most of this crap is being listed in catalogs for drop shipment and the catalog company never has seen the product......

last time - anyone who has this installed....where did you get it. and how do you like it?
 
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Old May 5, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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Hmmmm, the silence is deafening, cap'n. Should we fire a phaser across the bows to see if that gets a response?

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Old May 6, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner
Hmmmm, the silence is deafening, cap'n. Should we fire a phaser across the bows to see if that gets a response?

-s-

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=138381
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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Yes I agree, and upside down spin on would not help much.
I was more interested in porting out to oil lines that would hook up to a spin on mounted in the bonnet.......if there was room .

The Oil cooler lines on the MCS would do fine, but none on the MC. Wonder if the entire MCS oil filter assembly, which has the oil cooler ports, will also bolt onto a MC block ?
thems not oil ports on the stock mcs those are for coolant. i've got the madness adapter to a cooler from setrab . the adapter will run you 225.oo i believe the spring in the filter on earlier models was a bypass valve but not sure . try p.ming k heavo . i'm sure he'll know .
 
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Old May 6, 2008 | 11:03 PM
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I think his question was:
last time - anyone who has this installed....where did you get it. and how do you like it?
That thread wasn't it.
 
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Old May 9, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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figured out how to avoid cross threading...

The canister can actually be screwed all the way on by hand, turns slow because of the o-ring, but lube it up pretty good and it'll go!
Was surprised actually because cross threading was a big concern for me for a long time, had my MCS since 9/02...with zero issues.

Also, recently found out that loosening the canister up about half way drains the oil into the block, wait a few minutes and zero spillage from the canister when removed. To me, that was a sweetarse find because I hated having to clean that cramped area. Hope this helps, good luck!


James
 
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