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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:05 AM
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Pedals and Heal-toeing

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I took delivery of a 2006 MCS w LSD a couple of weeks ago. It's a great handling car but the juxtapostion of throttle and brake pedal is less than ideal for heal towing. The biggest problem is that the brake pedal is too high! Have you found a way to lower the brake actuation point? How else have you dealt with this issue?
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:05 AM
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My brake pedal has dropped as the car aged... it took a good month to settle in to a decent position and now my brake pedal is even too or just lower than the accelerator under HARD braking.

I ball-toe shift (ball of the foot on the brake, pinkie toe on the gas), but the accelerator is a bit too far to the right for me to catch the gas w/ my toe when I wear my driving shoes. I'm looking for a slightly wider accelerator petal... for track days, at least.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:14 AM
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We make an aluminum extension that fastens to the gas feed and viola, heel and toe bliss.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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I wear size 9.5 shoes and I don't have any trouble doing "heel and toe" using the method agranger discribes. (ball of foot and pinkie toe)
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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I wear 9.5 as well, my pedal seems to be almost perfect for heel toe.. could be that it has sank down alittle bit.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:51 PM
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We make an aluminum extension that fastens to the gas feed and viola, heel and toe bliss.
Would you have any pictures of this?
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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I also do the ball-toe method, which works great for me. I have wide shoes, so I have no problem blipping the throttle while I'm braking.

I probably would have an issue if I wore narrow driving shoes...
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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I guess my size 11 4D feet are just made for heel toeing.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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I think Heel / Toe is a bit of a misnomer, as in most instances its the ball of the foot on the brake and the right-hand side of the foot just below the smallest toe (in the direction of the ankle) that does the job. So your sort of rocking the foot radially left and right.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:25 PM
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Pedals and Heal-toeing

Originally Posted by agranger
My brake pedal has dropped as the car aged... it took a good month to settle in to a decent position and now my brake pedal is even too or just lower than the accelerator under HARD braking.

I ball-toe shift (ball of the foot on the brake, pinkie toe on the gas), but the accelerator is a bit too far to the right for me to catch the gas w/ my toe when I wear my driving shoes. I'm looking for a slightly wider accelerator petal... for track days, at least.
Well, this at least give some hope. I will continue to stomp on it for a while.
And yes, heal-toeing isn't a good description of what we do. It's left over from some arcane (brake in the middle?) pedal arrangement and the term has never been updated to match the current practice.
Thanks, Bruce S
 
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetmanb
Well, this at least give some hope. I will continue to stomp on it for a while.
And yes, heal-toeing isn't a good description of what we do. It's left over from some arcane (brake in the middle?) pedal arrangement and the term has never been updated to match the current practice.
Thanks, Bruce S
I can actually heel-toe the car... ball of the foot on the brake and heel on the gas, but my size 12 feet make it very tough and I have to ride the brake much lower on my foot than I like too for good feel. My heel can then blip the gas, but it doesn't give you the control near the fulcrum of the gas pedal that you get with your pinkie-toe on the top of the gas pedal.

I've got my eye on several pedal sets, but none of 'em fix the problem completely.

I'm thinking about getting creative w/ some cardboard and custom-ordering a gas pedal from ultimate pedals.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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i have a set of "ultimate" pedals. they work great w/ my racing shoes. they are a little close when driving w/ my work boots. i got the ones w/ the rubber bumps, which i knock off w/ aforementioned work boots. i'd choose better on the track, so they stay. it really varies with ones foot size and choice of footware.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bean
it really varies with ones foot size and choice of footware.
I'll second that. If I'm in some nice Italian dress shoes or big boots I have a hard time fitting my foot between the right side plastic and the brake pedal to get to the gas.

I'm thinking of skipping the round MINI brake/clutch pedals from Ultimate Pedals (with the screw holes in an X design) for a pair of Ferrari brake/clutch pedals from Ultimate (with the screw holes straight across). This way, for track days in my narrower driving shoes with nice soles, I could slide the brake pedal over to the right one notch (1 set of screw holes), bringing it closer to the gas and making ball/toe shifting easier. After track play-time is done, however, I could move the brake pedal back over to the left, to a more factory-set position, for better shoe clearance.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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I don't have the 2007 SOLO II rules on the computer I'm using, but somewhere in my memory is something about modified pedals not being allowed in stock classes. Perhaps someone who is more knowledgable, or who has the rule book, can clarify the point.

thanks,

Joe
 
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Old Apr 8, 2007 | 08:37 PM
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There is no mention of brake pedals in the Stock Class Solo 2 rules. But in Street Prepared it specifically says they are allowed. I'm pretty sure this means they are NOT allowed in the Stock classes. Sorry...
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchman
There is no mention of brake pedals in the Stock Class Solo 2 rules. But in Street Prepared it specifically says they are allowed. I'm pretty sure this means they are NOT allowed in the Stock classes. Sorry...
If the rules don't expressly say you can do it, you can't.
 
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Old Oct 24, 2007 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by agranger
I'll second that. If I'm in some nice Italian dress shoes or big boots I have a hard time fitting my foot between the right side plastic and the brake pedal to get to the gas.

I'm thinking of skipping the round MINI brake/clutch pedals from Ultimate Pedals (with the screw holes in an X design) for a pair of Ferrari brake/clutch pedals from Ultimate (with the screw holes straight across). This way, for track days in my narrower driving shoes with nice soles, I could slide the brake pedal over to the right one notch (1 set of screw holes), bringing it closer to the gas and making ball/toe shifting easier. After track play-time is done, however, I could move the brake pedal back over to the left, to a more factory-set position, for better shoe clearance.
I was looking at Ultimate pedals and they do not have a gas pedal for ball/toe shifting, they only have them with the extension on the lower left side instead on the upper left side of the pedal .
 
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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I installed that extended gas pedal designed for the MINI that you mention from Ultimate Pedals (it's still wider than stock at the top left edge of the pedal), along with the MINI dead pedal.

I installed a brake and clutch pedal for a Mod I Ferrari (I think... go by the pictures on the UltimatePedals website) because it had more holes horizontally across the pedals. Now, for track days, I can move the brake pedal a set of holes to the right so that it's closer to the accelerator and it makes ball-toe shifting MUCH easier. The swap only takes 10 minutes or so at the track so I can drive fast with my driving shoes and I can wear my cool Italian dress shoes when the pedals are in 'daily driver' mode.

 
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Dude,
You did good getting rid of the round pedals...like your set up
 
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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There is a good photo here of the oval MINI pedals... looks more factory, but mine provide more functionality for how I drive.

There is also a great photo of the accelerator assembly from the back, so you can see how much wider the Ultimate Petals accelerator is vs. stock.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...1&postcount=11
 
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