littlecarbigstyle.com

I agree with the other posters that if someone wants to find a mini enthuiast website they will find this one.

As part of your legal battle, I'd request that mini link to you upon agreeing on an acceptable compromise as far as the site...(like a page on their site, 'want to meet other mini owners', etc...)

:???:

 

I just came across something on a Honda site that hadn't occured to me previously, so here it is:

Disclaimer

Please note: VFRworld.com is not affiliated in any way with Honda Motor Company, Inc. The words Honda and VF/VFR are registered trademarks and/or names owned by Honda Motor Company, Inc. and are used on this Internet Website as reference only. This is a unofficial site and is solely for the enjoyment and use of everyone.


What is the legal affect of such a disclaimer? I know that disclaimers can be powerful things, and can thwart powerful law-suits. Is this type of disclaimer among them? By the way, this site does link to commercial aftermarket sites.

Just my $.02

 

I believe Mark has already covered that...check out the bottom of the page.

 

And another thing, MCO and other enthusiasts websites are mainly an informational source, LIKE the Yellow Pages. I'm not sure if the Yellow Pages gets some amount of profit from the telephone company (but they must from the coupon advertisements they have in the back).
Plan and simple, BMW's beef should be with vendors who violate MINI's trademark/copywrite.

 

Ok, one more, if BMW is saying that this site is violating their copywrite/trademark, then does that mean the MINI dealerships that PARTICIPATE by advertising on this site and employees who post here are also in violation? Sounds like BMW should go after itself.

 

No. MINI is very simply saying NOBODY may use its name or logo on commercial sites.

 

>>>>letsmotor.com
>>
>>I'm pretty sure BMWNA/MINI trademarked the term Let's Motor.
>>
>>See ya,
>>JS

mark owns http://www.letsmotor.com I believe


this could also be one that BMW is trying to pull away from him.

 

>>No. MINI is very simply saying NOBODY may use its name or logo on commercial sites.

That may be what they are saying but the reality is they are trying to obtain VERY valuable Domain Names through the use of legal bully tactics rather than pay for them. It has very little to do with name, logo, commercial sites etc. If that were not true why could I easily do a web search using BMW and come up with a Domain Name of BMWM5.com that has commercial advertising. THe only difference I can see is that they have this legal disclaimer on their home page.

" The Unofficial BMW M5 Homepage recognizes that "BMW", "BMW M5 ",
the roundel and various model numbers are registered trademarks of
BMW AG. These terms are used for identification purposes only.
The Unofficial BMW M5 Homepage is not affiliated in any way with
BMW AG."

Because of MINIUSA/BMWNAs actions against MCO I will never buy another BMW product nor will I recommend one. I have been very pleased with my MINI Cooper and have recommended it up until now but no more.

 

>>Watch out Folks....
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>>mark owns http://www.letsmotor.com I believe
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>>
>>this could also be one that BMW is trying to pull away from him.

I don't own letsmotor.com. BMW/MINI appears to own it and it is a trademark they own as well.

One of the domains I registered late last summer and BMW has requested is mini-motion.com (which, due to time commitments to MCO, was never developed).

Mark

 

Oh My apologies, Damn BMW!

 

Let me just say that I have been strongly considering purchasing a MINI ever since I heard BMW was bringing them to the states. As much as I like my present car - every time I see one of those MINIs, it grabs my attention. And I'll admit, I like the marketing campaign too. I was in England a couple of years ago, and hired a Nissan Micra just to get a feel for motoring in such a tiny, yet surprisingly spacious, vehicle.

Today I found this website, because I was looking for independent feedback and comments by MINI owners as to how they like their MINIs. That is when I found this thread.

I am so disappointed by BMW's heavy handed actions. I understand intellectual property law enough to know that a trademark holder must be vigilent in defending its trademark or else the holder risks losing the ability to protect it. Nevertheless, it seems that some compromise should be reachable - such a licensing the mark for a nominal fee - not because the mark isn't worth more, but because a specialty car like this one will live and die by the hearts of the enthusiasts who purchase them. People don't buy a MINI just because they need a car. People buy a MINI because they are making a statement. And BMW's actions fly in the face of the spirit behind that statement.

Under these circumstances, I am less enthusiastic about purchasing a MINI. Indeed, it is something I was considering doing in the next few months, but now I am not so sure. If it turns out that I buy something else, it will be a result in part of what I learned here today.

I still think they are neat little cars, and because of that, I might buy one anyway. But just like everything else, it is the same corporate pigs who produce and sell them. The marketing is click, but these people are no better than those who brought us exploding Pintos and deathtrap Corvairs. And since the alternative is walking or taking the bus, someone will get my hardearned money for my next car purchase. But MINI is less likely to get it.

Keep fighting the good fight.

 

this topic seems to have died....

what happened... we all lost interest...

no changes have been made thusfar....

are we out of the water or has the wind left our sails?


C'mon!

 

Its just a lull in the storm. We submitted a proposal/request to BMW legal last Friday and, as of this evening (Thursday August 21) we have not received any type of response. In the meantime, MINI-Motorsport has received a cease and desist request from the same BMW legal team I've been dealing with.

As I mentioned in another post my concern is that BMW's position has not been altered regarding clubs, having MINI in their names, which have hyperlinks to commercial sites. BMW has said that links from enthusiast sites to commercial sites won't be allowed if they want to use MINI in the name. If this is pursued in any fashion expect a MAJOR uproar from the community.

When I have new information I'll post to the site. In the meantime keep passing the word and have more people sign the petition. I would VERY much like to see at least 3,000 signatures.

Also, thanks to everyone for their continued support. This experience has shown me the tremendous voice the MINI customer base has at its disposal.

Mark

 

We will continue our support.... Good Luck!

 

By the way, http://www.letsmotor.com is now showing Mark O'Dell Racing.

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Dark Silver Cooper S

 

I see we are called NAM now... North American Motoring... =

 

I must make sure this thread doesn't end with 666 replies. It's bad luck.

 

>>I see we are called NAM now... North American Motoring... =


I really like that!!

That's what I am!
A North American Motoring person!

 

Does anybody know if any other online MINI enthusiast sites have been confronted by BMW's attorneys?

I wonder if BMW used MCO as their prototype example of how they are going to pursue other enthusiast sites?

Anyway, I a glad that this is behind us and hope that the next to be targeted by the lawyers will have it easier than poor Mark has had it.

 

Oh and here is a little tidbit for BMW:

I own and will keep http://www.minicooperrally.com forever. Since the classic Mini's were so famous for their rally racing heritage, you cannot have my domain name.

Ha Ha Ha! Stick it to the man!

 

The new 'logo' definitely catches the eye. Glad you were able to find a solution to the problems. Mini USA/BMW still sucks.

 

Did they legal boys get ahold of your minicooperrally.com? I just tried it and no luck getting to your site.