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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 07:04 AM
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Ding 1000 miles!

Trying to break in the coupe asap. Might be edging past that 4500rpm mark a bit now. Offered to be office delivery car for the week. My day job is interfering with my driving!!!

Who else drives extra the first few weeks just to break the car in?
 
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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 12:06 PM
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Drove mine as much as possible the first couple of weeks so I could feel better about oil change #1 after about 1k miles, just before I went off on a road trip to the vicinity of the Dragon & thereabouts.

Of course, I don't follow the gentle break-in theory. My Coupé saw 6k RPM's multiple times in its first 15 minutes off the lot. (Along with lots of extra engine braking & varying of RPM's & engine load)

My first "official" oil change will be my 4th actual oil change. Less than 1k miles left until Service #1.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 01:41 PM
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i usually drive the cars the way i would normally drive them.
the only thing i'd watch is 1st 1000 miles of varying RPM drives and no steady RPM for more than 5 minutes at a time (meaning no real long distance highway driving)

so far i've never had a problem including some cars that had more than 100,000 miles in the end.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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I drove mine hard from the first minute. I've rebuilt engines on other plataforms and based on advice from long time builders, cars need to set their rings in the pistons for long term wear. The best way to do this is hit high rpms and high vacuum in the early days of a turbo engine.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 12:58 PM
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Haven't babied the car per se, but I also didn't run it in last weekends autoX with just 400 miles either. I'm more of the break it in like you will use it camp.
Will be putting her on the dyno this weekend for the official 'ready to use' ceremony
 
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Old Apr 19, 2012 | 02:16 PM
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I've done about 300 miles this first week. Driving a little easier than I normally would but past 4500rpms plenty. After 500 miles I'll probably get on it a bit more. Then at 1000 miles do an oil change and go nuts.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sorensilk
I've done about 300 miles this first week. Driving a little easier than I normally would but past 4500rpms plenty. After 500 miles I'll probably get on it a bit more. Then at 1000 miles do an oil change and go nuts.
I keep hearing this oil change at 1000 miles, but have never really seen the logic, why is it important? From that point should you go into a regular interval program (insert you fav mileage interval here)? Do you reset the oil clock every time? It been awhile since I had a MINI.

My car arrives in 3 weeks so I want to treat her right.

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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:55 AM
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I would not reset the oil change clock. You need that to measure the free oil changes that Mini gives you. Most dealerships will not mess with the clock when you do in-between oil changes.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKORDT
I keep hearing this oil change at 1000 miles, but have never really seen the logic, why is it important? From that point should you go into a regular interval program (insert you fav mileage interval here)? Do you reset the oil clock every time? It been awhile since I had a MINI.

My car arrives in 3 weeks so I want to treat her right.

Alan
whether you change it in first 1000 or 20 or even 15,000, i don't think there is a right answer to that question. everyone's got their own opinions on how to break-in your car (whether that means following the manufacturers' recommendations or not).

with that in mind, here is what i found why it's important to change oil during or after your first break-in period.
in quote "Most of the wearing in process happens immediately, creating a lot of metal in the oil. Plus, the amount of leftover machining chips and other crud left behind in the manufacturing process is simply amazing !! You want to flush that stuff out before it gets recycled and embedded in the transmission gears, and oil pump etc..."
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by powerbook76
... here is what i found why it's important to change oil during or after your first break-in period.
in quote "Most of the wearing in process happens immediately, creating a lot of metal in the oil. Plus, the amount of leftover machining chips and other crud left behind in the manufacturing process is simply amazing !! You want to flush that stuff out before it gets recycled and embedded in the transmission gears, and oil pump etc..."
Precisely. There is a lot of metal shearing that takes place during the first few miles of break-in. When you hear about "seating" the rings, this refers to the rings & cylinder walls sort of mutually shaving their adjoining surfaces down to matching profiles. They are designed to wear quite a bit during break-in and gradually fit together better & better. This is why a brand new engine can actually GAIN a few hp after the first few hundred miles- because the internal parts actually fit better after break-in.

A lot of tiny metal shards from that process end up in your break-in oil. Ideally, I would have changed my oil after 200-250 miles, but I was too busy. The longer you run the break-in oil, the more chance the tiny metal shavings have to slip into places where you don't want them.

Whether you're going to "drive it like you stole it" or follow MINI's factory recommendations for a gentle break-in, and regardless of planning to change your oil every 2.5k or go with the factory's ~15k mile oil change intervals, I'd strongly suggest paying for an oil change somewhere in the 200-1,000 mile range just to get rid of the detritus; the metallic flotsam and jetsam; the funk of the break-in period.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PatM
I would not reset the oil change clock. You need that to measure the free oil changes that Mini gives you. Most dealerships will not mess with the clock when you do in-between oil changes.
Good to know thank you.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BillTheCat
Precisely. There is a lot of metal shearing that takes place during the first few miles of break-in. When you hear about "seating" the rings, this refers to the rings & cylinder walls sort of mutually shaving their adjoining surfaces down to matching profiles. They are designed to wear quite a bit during break-in and gradually fit together better & better. This is why a brand new engine can actually GAIN a few hp after the first few hundred miles- because the internal parts actually fit better after break-in.

A lot of tiny metal shards from that process end up in your break-in oil. Ideally, I would have changed my oil after 200-250 miles, but I was too busy. The longer you run the break-in oil, the more chance the tiny metal shavings have to slip into places where you don't want them.

Whether you're going to "drive it like you stole it" or follow MINI's factory recommendations for a gentle break-in, and regardless of planning to change your oil every 2.5k or go with the factory's ~15k mile oil change intervals, I'd strongly suggest paying for an oil change somewhere in the 200-1,000 mile range just to get rid of the detritus; the metallic flotsam and jetsam; the funk of the break-in period.
Sounds like a plan. Ty.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 08:21 PM
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I know this is a subject that has been debate here on NAM over and over.

Here's Edmunds.com's take
5. When you buy a new car, change your oil at 3,000 miles to remove metal particles from the engine break-in process. There might be a grain of truth to this, according to the experts at Blackstone. Oil samples from engines during the first 3,000 miles of driving show elevated "wear-in" metal levels, coming from the pistons and camshafts, says Ryan Stark, Blackstone's president. But he added, "To me, it doesn't make that much difference because if the filings are big enough to cause damage, they will be taken out by the oil filter."

However, a Honda spokesman says its cars come from the factory with a special oil formulation for the break-in period. Honda advises owners to not change the oil early. Stark said Blackstone Laboratories' test of Honda's break-in oil shows it contains molybdenum-disulfide, an anti-wear additive. But Stark said Honda is the only manufacturer he knows that's using special break-in oil. The take-away? If there are any special break-in recommendations from the manufacturer, follow them. And consider analyzing the oil at 3,000 miles.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/top-...motor-oil.html
 
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sspreso11
Haven't babied the car per se, but I also didn't run it in last weekends autoX with just 400 miles either. I'm more of the break it in like you will use it camp.
Will be putting her on the dyno this weekend for the official 'ready to use' ceremony
Post your dyno results when you have them. Looking forward to seeing the numbers.


-Steven
 
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 08:38 AM
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So I crashed my brother's SRT-4 dyno day. The numbers where about what I expected. Had 1450 miles on her when they strapped her onto the dynojet.

No huge numbers, but love that long flat power band. So the stated fly-wheel numbers are what you actually get at the wheels.

Wished I could have recorded some audio. The JCW exhaust with the resonator removed howled at 6500rpm

Ding 1000 miles!-photo-4.jpg
 
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sspreso11
So I crashed my brother's SRT-4 dyno day. The numbers where about what I expected. Had 1450 miles on her when they strapped her onto the dynojet.

No huge numbers, but love that long flat power band. So the stated fly-wheel numbers are what you actually get at the wheels.

Wished I could have recorded some audio. The JCW exhaust with the resonator removed howled at 6500rpm

Attachment 59994
Wow, those are really good numbers I knew Mini/BMW underrated the numbers, but didn't think we would see those at the wheels


-Steven
 
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sspreso11
So I crashed my brother's SRT-4 dyno day. The numbers where about what I expected. Had 1450 miles on her when they strapped her onto the dynojet.

No huge numbers, but love that long flat power band. So the stated fly-wheel numbers are what you actually get at the wheels.

Wished I could have recorded some audio. The JCW exhaust with the resonator removed howled at 6500rpm

Attachment 59994
Over 200 at the wheels!! I am very impressed and very pleased with those numbers. Much better than what I have seen for typical drive train loss.
 
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Old Apr 24, 2012 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BillTheCat
Precisely. There is a lot of metal shearing that takes place during the first few miles of break-in. When you hear about "seating" the rings, this refers to the rings & cylinder walls sort of mutually shaving their adjoining surfaces down to matching profiles. They are designed to wear quite a bit during break-in and gradually fit together better & better. This is why a brand new engine can actually GAIN a few hp after the first few hundred miles- because the internal parts actually fit better after break-in.

A lot of tiny metal shards from that process end up in your break-in oil. Ideally, I would have changed my oil after 200-250 miles, but I was too busy. The longer you run the break-in oil, the more chance the tiny metal shavings have to slip into places where you don't want them.

Whether you're going to "drive it like you stole it" or follow MINI's factory recommendations for a gentle break-in, and regardless of planning to change your oil every 2.5k or go with the factory's ~15k mile oil change intervals, I'd strongly suggest paying for an oil change somewhere in the 200-1,000 mile range just to get rid of the detritus; the metallic flotsam and jetsam; the funk of the break-in period.

When I built a new engine, I'd . . .

- put new oil in the engine after rebuild
- start it up and let it idle for 45 minutes to get the engine warm and lubricated
- change the oil
- drive it like I stole it for about 300-500 miles
- change the oil
- drive it normal and do recommended oil changes.

I would use Brad Penn racing oil. Never had any issue with an engine
 
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Old May 7, 2012 | 01:40 PM
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I am a low mileage driver only 600 miles in the last 4 months. I missed the 20 mile change oil, should I do it now or wait until I hit a 1000 miles?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...k-in-a-new-car
 
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