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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Cred
What app are using for your gas mileage statistics?
I use aCar on the Evo 3D.

But I still wonder how people drive for their MPG cause if they are all supposedly getting 3-5mpg over the rated MPG, then it makes me wonder if they drive 99% highway and conservative. Cause in my experience, the manufacturer ratings are usually generated from pretty conservative driving and I've usually always been lower than the rating on every car I've owned.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 10:43 AM
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I can see both sides of the story. My 2010 Camden S gets much better fuel economy than my bf's 2007 Cooper S.

If I'm driving conservatively on the highway I can easily average 37-42mpg. Conservative driving in the city results in 30-35mpg for me. If I drive aggressively on the highway, I'll get closer to 35mpg and aggressively in the city for me yeilds 27-32mpg. I tried the same test in the 2007 S that my bf just bought and he gets on average about 5-7mpg less than my Camden with all the same driving styles. I am hoping it is just because he needs a tuneup and not because his car is 3 years older than mine... :-?
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by christomapher
I can see both sides of the story. My 2010 Camden S gets much better fuel economy than my bf's 2007 Cooper S.

If I'm driving conservatively on the highway I can easily average 37-42mpg. Conservative driving in the city results in 30-35mpg for me. If I drive aggressively on the highway, I'll get closer to 35mpg and aggressively in the city for me yeilds 27-32mpg. I tried the same test in the 2007 S that my bf just bought and he gets on average about 5-7mpg less than my Camden with all the same driving styles. I am hoping it is just because he needs a tuneup and not because his car is 3 years older than mine... :-?
Have him check his tire pressures too. Cause one week I noticed my tire pressures were 5psi lower than they shoulda been, and then after filling them back up, I gained 2mpg on that next tank.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 10:48 AM
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I use Fuelly and my mileage is as follows. My wife drives the automatic, 80% highway. 50 mile roundtrip per day 4 days per week. Sport button off, plus in town store trips etc.
Her running or average is 31.5, 98 fill ups 34,074 miles tracked.

My car is the manual, sport button always on. My driving is 80% in town with a 44 mile roundtrip drive to work 5 days per week of which 80% is stop and go in town traffic. I would not characterize my driving as aggressive but I do drive the speed limit but occasionally like to blow the carbon out if u know what I mean? I get 30.6 average mph which is 58 fill ups over 20,658 miles.


Seems the OP is getting shortchanged.

So there u go.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 10:52 AM
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i have a 30 mile commute, all freeway and i only get 31mpg and i drive at 80-85mph.
Slow down to 65 and your MPGs will come up significantly. Air resistance goes up with the square of the speed, and by the time you get over about 45 MPH the air resistance is the dominant factor in how much energy it takes to move down the road. It takes 1.7 times the energy to run at 85 MPH as it does at 65 MPH, and that means somewhere near 1.7 times the fuel!

If you accelerate just hard enough to stay out of the boost, and shift at low RPMs (upshift at 2000-2250), you will also see better mileage. And definitely avoid the "gas to the red light, then brake hard" thing. That's just throwing away fuel. Better yet, if you can learn to time the lights on your daily commute so you hit as many as possible green, you'll save even more!

Any time you accelerate, you're paying gas to get speed. So if you can avoid accelerating over and over and over again, you'll get better mileage.

The counter-point is that acceleration (and speed!) is fun. So you're turning gasoline into velocity, and grins. There's a balance to be found, and it's not the same for everyone.

Over the last three months, I've been averaging about 170% of the EPA combined rating of my Honda. I'm hoping I can pull similar figures out of the Justa when I finally get my hands on it. I am unlikely to for a while, because I'll be enjoying it too much to drive for economy.

Oh, and there is definitely a break-in effect on your MPG. New engines are indeed "tighter" and have more friction than well-worn ones. I don't know how the friction drops off versus miles driven, but I would suspect that a lot of it happens in the first couple of thousand miles.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Slave to Felines
Slow down to 65 and your MPGs will come up significantly. Air resistance goes up with the square of the speed, and by the time you get over about 45 MPH the air resistance is the dominant factor in how much energy it takes to move down the road. It takes 1.7 times the energy to run at 85 MPH as it does at 65 MPH, and that means somewhere near 1.7 times the fuel!

If you accelerate just hard enough to stay out of the boost, and shift at low RPMs (upshift at 2000-2250), you will also see better mileage. And definitely avoid the "gas to the red light, then brake hard" thing. That's just throwing away fuel. Better yet, if you can learn to time the lights on your daily commute so you hit as many as possible green, you'll save even more!

Any time you accelerate, you're paying gas to get speed. So if you can avoid accelerating over and over and over again, you'll get better mileage.

The counter-point is that acceleration (and speed!) is fun. So you're turning gasoline into velocity, and grins. There's a balance to be found, and it's not the same for everyone.
That's a lot of concentration to drive a what is suppose to be fun car...
I never shift bellow 3000rpm (any lower and there's no big pop when i shift)
But I do skip gears, going 1st to 3rd then 6th.
I also leave it in gear when braking (doesn't use any fuel)
Also petrol grade makes a big difference. I'm sure California "Premium" is pretty horrible.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Slave to Felines
Slow down to 65 and your MPGs will come up significantly. Air resistance goes up with the square of the speed, and by the time you get over about 45 MPH the air resistance is the dominant factor in how much energy it takes to move down the road. It takes 1.7 times the energy to run at 85 MPH as it does at 65 MPH, and that means somewhere near 1.7 times the fuel!

If you accelerate just hard enough to stay out of the boost, and shift at low RPMs (upshift at 2000-2250), you will also see better mileage. And definitely avoid the "gas to the red light, then brake hard" thing. That's just throwing away fuel. Better yet, if you can learn to time the lights on your daily commute so you hit as many as possible green, you'll save even more!

Any time you accelerate, you're paying gas to get speed. So if you can avoid accelerating over and over and over again, you'll get better mileage.

The counter-point is that acceleration (and speed!) is fun. So you're turning gasoline into velocity, and grins. There's a balance to be found, and it's not the same for everyone.

Over the last three months, I've been averaging about 170% of the EPA combined rating of my Honda. I'm hoping I can pull similar figures out of the Justa when I finally get my hands on it. I am unlikely to for a while, because I'll be enjoying it too much to drive for economy.

Oh, and there is definitely a break-in effect on your MPG. New engines are indeed "tighter" and have more friction than well-worn ones. I don't know how the friction drops off versus miles driven, but I would suspect that a lot of it happens in the first couple of thousand miles.
I'm happy you ended your post the way you did. I was getting ready to tell you your in the wrong forum. The guys driving the Prius are in a different forum. LOL.

Honestly I think if anyone is THAT worried about fuel economy they would be better served buying a Corolla.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 12:06 PM
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2011 JCW, AccessPort, always sport button. In town 27 MPG. Freeway 33 MPG. Miles divided by gallons. When I got to about 8000 miles there was a sudden increase of 4 MPG. So before it was 23/29. I got the bump in MPG fairly soon after I got the AccessPort, about 500 miles as I recall, but don't know if the AP had anything to do with this or if it was that the engine was getting broken in. I would think the latter. At 11000 miles now.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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Fuel economy is just a curiosity for me, I'm not going to drive it like it's a Buick to save a couple of bucks. I shift at 4000RPM or higher most of the time (unless my girl is in the car, haha.)
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PatM
I'm happy you ended your post the way you did. I was getting ready to tell you your in the wrong forum. The guys driving the Prius are in a different forum. LOL.

Honestly I think if anyone is THAT worried about fuel economy they would be better served buying a Corolla.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by moreaux
Got no idea what you're talking about this is NYC driving (barely ever get in to 4th gear)


Oh, I can get mine to read 34.1. Not for a whole tank though. And when I drive city, its more like low/mid 20's. But I really don't care about 3 or 4 MPG's when I can have as much fun as I do. My Jeeps never got above 11 MPG (except my Rubicon that got about 17) so my average of 28/29 MPG is wonderful to me.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dannyhavok
I'm not going to drive it like it's a Buick to save a couple of bucks. I
 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PatM
Honestly I think if anyone is THAT worried about fuel economy they would be better served buying a Corolla.
Naaah. The Chevy Cruze Eco is better than the 'Rolla. 42 MPG freeway, after all!

But the fuel economy was one of the reasons that I picked the MINI. And one of the big reasons for choosing the Justa rather than the S or the JCW. And I can get in quite enough trouble in a Justa!

Fun was the reason to choose the Justa over the Cruze, the small Fords with their SFE package, or the small Hyundais. Because the MINI has that well and truly covered!

 
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Old Sep 5, 2011 | 05:14 PM
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That car gets some pretty good fuel economy. I'm still not sure that I would buy it. I'm still suspect of GM's long term quality. Though my GTO has 109K on it and still runs like a bat out of you know where. It's really a Holden though so I'm not sure that it counts.

I like the CTSV. It's a sick car.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 10:11 AM
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I drive about 50% city/50% hwy and have been consistently averaging 29mpg. I mostly go WOT on freeway on ramps and occasionally boost past cars on the hwy. I drive pretty much 90% in sport mode.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
I mostly go WOT on freeway on ramps and occasionally boost past cars on the hwy.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
I drive about 50% city/50% hwy and have been consistently averaging 29mpg. I mostly go WOT on freeway on ramps and occasionally boost past cars on the hwy. I drive pretty much 90% in sport mode.
Same here. Get in car, start car, put on driving gloves, push Sport button.

Now only time I dont drive with it on is during bad weather as it causes the electronic gizmos to cut in later.

I love watching SUVs and large sedans trying to keep up with me on a on/off ramp!!
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 01:38 PM
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How does one boost past cars?
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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That would entail the right foot going all the way to the floor and holding it there hehe.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pheatton
...put on driving gloves...
Lol is that really necessarily.

Originally Posted by pheatton
I love watching SUVs and large sedans trying to keep up with me on a on/off ramp!!
Me too!! although my Range Rover Sport 510Hp is..much quicker then my Cooper S.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by moreaux
Lol is that really necessarily.



Me too!! although my Range Rover Sport 510Hp is..much quicker then my Cooper S.

I have this thing against nasty worn steering wheels...

I have never driven one but can a RR Sport keep up with a Mini on a tight curvy road?
 
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pheatton
I have never driven one but can a RR Sport keep up with a Mini on a tight curvy road?
My guess would be no.

My 400 HP GTO only takes the Mini's on the straights but on the curvies it's another story. I'm pretty sure my GTO will out handle that RR Sport with little trouble, so it only makes sense.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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My guess would be no.

My 400 HP GTO only takes the Mini's on the straights but on the curvies it's another story. I'm pretty sure my GTO will out handle that RR Sport with little trouble, so it only makes sense.
Yeah The RR Sport is a heck of a machine but even the best suspension etc cant over come physics.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by moreaux
although my Range Rover Sport 510Hp is..much quicker then my Cooper S.
I had a Jeep Wrangler with an LS1 engine swap, lots of other goodies, 8" suspension and 35" tires that would probably do circles around that Range Rover. Problem is, it would probably flip in the process.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pheatton
I have this thing against nasty worn steering wheels...

I have never driven one but can a RR Sport keep up with a Mini on a tight curvy road?
Lol i meant in the straights

Not even a question in the corners! I don't like driving it fast around corners, air suspension feels really odd because it props the side that suppose to lean up so it's not leaning but the whole time u feel like u are.

Handling is what I bought the Mini for..in the real world with potholes and off cambered corner it's faster then my Maserati GranTurismo from A to B


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Jeep Wrangler with an LS1 engine swap..probably do circles around that Range Rover..
Range Rover vs Wrangler?
 

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