Also, engage the Sport button.

 

I test drove the MCS without the sport button on and pouncing on it in 2nd gear it took me by surprise....was the first time I drove a FWD in a really long time...and your right when I hit the sport button it was worse...On my JCW it really make you think about it when your getting into it...

 

yeah really! To clarify, it's the pedal to the far right.

 

 

They must have forgotten the turbo in my Clubman. I have no torque steer. I can mash the throttle in a turn it behaves beautifully.

I'm running Cross Coilovers, the car is dropped 2"s, 22mm Alta rearbar, replaced upper and lower rear control arms, Front and rear sway bar links replaced. Car re-aligned to this setup.

Yes, I did push the sport button - I push the crap out of the car. Ya, crappy picture, sorry

 

I think I have this torque steer problem. The car always pulls ever so slightly to the left. I had Morristown Mini, NJ check it out and they couldn't find a problem. They always fill the tire pressure to 36-37, I think the tire pressure should be 33.

When you changed to 33 did you find the problem was solved?

 

I'm proud my MINI has enough torque to cause "torque steer". Actually I can get torque steer in third gear - and I love it.

Just hold on to the wheel.

 

I've found that my 08 MCSa tells me the front tires are a little low on pressure by torque steering. If I keep them at 33-35 psi, everything's fine. Let them deflate to 30-31, I start getting torque steer. Works better than the TPS. I'm also really careful to match the pressure between the two front tires to within half a psi to stop the car from pulling to one side.

 

Ok, smarties...

I mashed the pedal down. Overboost engaged. Thanks.

I've dynoed with just under 200 ft-lbs at the wheels stock...I think the turbo is there and working.

Was on...and its nearly always on when I drive.

Thanks for the support lol, I know I'm not the only one!

Maybe it's cuz we are lowered?

I just think its funny when I hear people talk like the car is literally skidding and flying all over the road if they don't hold onto the wheel for dear life. To me, that is not right and definitely should be something I'd look into. Like I said, I can floor it hands free...the car goes straight.

 

No, its not because your lowered....I am slammed down as far as I can go without dragging the front end. FWD cars naturally exhibit TS. Why you have none is strange. Changing bushings I hear can help, anything to stiffen up the front end I would assume will help. I still think you should check to make sure your gas pedal is going all the way down

H&R Coil overs and TQ is just the same as when stock

 

Red Bull, in the forum world, it is okay if someone disagrees with your opinion -

With that said (I know you won't yield the point) I had a first generation STS Cadillac that had front drive with the Northstar engine (nice motor, really) - that car had sever torque steer - it was wild - walked all over the place. The torque steer made the car a beast, not in a good way - it was miserable.

With my Cooper you are aware it's front wheel drive - but, only when the front end hits a loose spot - on good, consistent, surfaces it is awesome. I did have a stock S loaner for one weekend - in that car the torque steer was noticeable.

As a note I'm in Sunnyvale, Ca and would be thrilled to have any NAM member drive my car - it is a hoot and feedback will make it even beter.

 

Red Bull, in the forum world, it is okay if someone disagrees with your opinion -

It does not bother me that someone disagrees....I am around forums and do business on them...don't be so sensitive. Its just good discussion, why do people feel as soon as there is a debate its an issue!!!! Come on lighten up.

 

Oh, I'm not sensitive. I don't make forum quips - Actually, I enjoy this forum - the discussions are typically unpersonal - quite nice.

 

Well go and re read the posts....Banter with conversation are what make good forum play bearable. I am here to learn and enjoy some good humor. I see you have 9 posts, you haven't seen people be rude yet. And yes your a little sensitive.

 

The behavior of a FWD car should not be confused with torque steer. I'm quite aware of the driving dynamics of a front wheel drive car as this is my 3rd. Not all FWD cars torque steer!

Yes, my R56 exhibits some of the natural tendancies of a FWD car. It does NOT however torque steer. As I said earlier, go drive any old saab turbo, dodge SRT-4, or even an Acura TL 6 speed. Torque steer is very prevelant in those cars, and you have to be completely judicious in throttle application otherwise your front end is virtually incontrollable. It's really not fun. This really does not happen in my MINI...and trust me, I drive the crap out of it.

Oh btw...you have a sweet lookin' JCW!

 

Thanks..do you have a stock suspension? I am going to focus on changing the sway bars and bushings. I already have H&R springs. I wil tell you when I floor it coming out of second it is scary....really. I fight the wheel, now I know FWD people are used to this however I have never had a FWD. I drive high HP cars and worry more about the rear swinging around.

I have some engine upgrades but even on the drive home from the dealer in stock form it was quite hairy. Most people I speak to all say the same thing, and FWD TQ is normal in most cars. My son has a FWD with less HP and it has the same condition.

 

ThumperMCS,

Every automotive review of the '07-'09 MCS that I've read has commented on the torque steer. You need to set everyone straight!

 

I think it depends on your alignment, too. FWD cars seems to be very sensitive to adjustments.

 

I am really surprised that many do not know that TQ is inherent in FWD cars. From high end ones to low end cars the FWD TQ problem presists due to the design of the trans and axel shafts. How the power is delivered causes TQ. I am sure that many factors help increase this condition from suspension parts to wheel alignment and more. I am an avid reader of the car mags that review all models and most evey car that hs FWD that is reviewed has a comment about TQ.

 

No...I have Mach V springs. They are stiff as heck, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Also, like Ken G said, I think FWD cars are very sensitive to alignment, especially in high torque FWD cars like ours.

See what gets me though, your words "scary" in second and having to "fight the wheel" I just cannot see at all. You do have a JCW so maybe that contributes to it, but I don't recall that when I drove one. You could definitely feel it a little more, but "fighting the wheel" really does not come to mind.

I will take a video this weekend to show my torque-steerless R56. !

 

If anyone is still unclear on what torque steer is, and lives in the NYC metro area, shoot me a PM and I'll let you take my GTI for a spin. 290 WTQ + open diff + unequal length driveshafts = you in the shoulder of the road

EDIT: and on the topic of torque steer, one of my favorite automotive quotes from an engineer at MOPAR regarding the issue: "dodge has finally revealed and implemented a solution to torque steer in high-powered FWD cars, it's called wheel spin." hehe

 

Yeah my dealership does that too (Princeton). First thing I do is lower it to 33 (proper pressure for 1-2 people), and reset the tire checking computer. 2008 MCS w/ lsd and 6-speed. But none of that silly dynamic tracking or stability control.

If I push it really hard in 1st or 2nd (yes w/ sport on), then there will be some minor TS but just having LSD alone without all the other stuff makes it totally easy to work with.

Jeff

 

Funny....the other cure fo TQ is rear wheel drive

 

hmm... id prefer awd...

 

Funny the R53 S does not have this problem, even "agressively" moded cars.