R56 R56 MINI Cooper D (Diesel) release date in North America
Prior to the gas run up beyond $4 / gallon, you could have said "...but IMO the general US public is not interested in efficient compact automobiles. Guess we'll see what BMW decides..." and been correct.
Economic realities tend to force the reconsideration of past value decisions.
From Automotive News
Jim McDowell, vice president of BMW's Mini division, told reporters in Detroit on Tuesday...
-- The diesel-powered Mini is being studied for the United States, but it won't be offered here until it can be sold in all 50 states, McDowell said. He did not give a model year when the diesel Mini could be available in the United States.
Jim McDowell, vice president of BMW's Mini division, told reporters in Detroit on Tuesday...
-- The diesel-powered Mini is being studied for the United States, but it won't be offered here until it can be sold in all 50 states, McDowell said. He did not give a model year when the diesel Mini could be available in the United States.
Ratio of Coop S mpg to Coop D mpg = 34 / 68 = 1 to 2 !!!
Ratio of Premium gas : Diesel Fuel ... if Premium is $4/gallon, Diesel would have to be $8 per gallon (twice as much) to get to the point where it was break even!! Until that cost differential, the gasser is much more inefficient per mile than the diesel.
If you had a Cooper D, it would be putting money into your pocket.
Ratio of Premium gas : Diesel Fuel ... if Premium is $4/gallon, Diesel would have to be $8 per gallon (twice as much) to get to the point where it was break even!! Until that cost differential, the gasser is much more inefficient per mile than the diesel.
If you had a Cooper D, it would be putting money into your pocket.
I'm all for choices, I just don't see the benefit being significant enough at this time. I haven't driven a diesel in awhile but they were never as nice as gasoline cars, and there's the challenge of finding diesel (not as bas as it once was but many stations don't carry it and most pumps are not diesel).
Yeah, I love the idea too! I also like the idea of the Jetta Sportwagen TDI that is coming out later this year. It's a full sized wagon that is supposed to get 50+ mpg, and of course can take biodiesel (while not perfect, at least it's another alternative to gas)...but right now I'm just currently awaiting my wait listed Clubman...
alfa romeo is coming back to the usa now and they are part of fiat and they going to bring a dieel to the usa. also bmw is scheduled to bring at least two diesel in the fall to the usa. vw is already here with there new common rail TDI. Honda and Toyota also have announced they are bringing diesels to the usa for 2009. so it is not far fetched that mini would bring theres. however the toy diesel are some of the worse on the planet. so do not look at them.
I heard a commercial on the radio today from BMW offering diesel engines as an option, or soon to be an option on their cars or something. They were claiming high efficiency and/or high mpg as their sales pitch, cant remember exactly what they said though. If the BMW cars are getting diesel, I would think that the MINI might not be too far behind- but what do I know.
edit: i remember them saying something like "get the performance of diesel without the old rickety loud clunky diesel engines you remember (frome those old diesels) with BMW's new diesel engines...redesigned..." something along those lines

edit: i remember them saying something like "get the performance of diesel without the old rickety loud clunky diesel engines you remember (frome those old diesels) with BMW's new diesel engines...redesigned..." something along those lines
Last edited by zach999; Jul 23, 2008 at 09:04 PM.
Wow, this is really a great example of selling an idea to yourself. As others mentioned you're comparing the slower D to an MCS, clearly the MC is more suitable. You've also negleted the initial purchase cost which would likely be $1k+ more, a significant amount when the end goal is economy/mile.
Diesel owners tend to be fanatics too. It's not so much selling an idea to myself, but trying to find something that delivers what I'm looking for. I'm not looking for 0-60 mph in my daily driver. I am looking for good performance with excellent economy. My daily driver is a VW Golf TDI. I average 43 mpg mixed over 125K miles. Sure it has a 10 second 0-60... who cares? My TDI has more top gear passing "ummph" at highway speeds than either my old Boxster or current Elise. No downshift required.
Regarding purchase cost, I keep my daily drivers at least 100k miles. The MCD would likely be more expensive than the MC, but less than an MCS. In my case, the cost would likely be in my favor as I was leaning to an MCS instead of the MC anyway. I've test driven both the MC and MCS, and the MCS turbo response is very similar to the turbodiesel response that I'm accustomed to. My VW is 8 years old and starting to show some interior wear, so I'm looking for a replacement. I have issues with the 2009 Jetta TDI that are causing me to consider other cars and the Mini is at the top of the list.
I'm all for choices, I just don't see the benefit being significant enough at this time. I haven't driven a diesel in awhile but they were never as nice as gasoline cars, and there's the challenge of finding diesel (not as bas as it once was but many stations don't carry it and most pumps are not diesel).
Challenge of finding diesel? Perhaps one doesn't notice it unless they're looking, but pumps are plentiful, else the trucking industry would be in dire straits. I've never run out of fuel. When the low fuel light comes on, 2 gallons is good for another 80-100 miles. I think I can find a pump by then.
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