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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 06:29 PM
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150 MPG in a Mini?

Surely someone has seen or heard someone who has tried this...Popular Science and Popular Mechanics have adds about "hybrid" fuel technology that pushes cars over a hundred MPG. It's The PICC, Pre-Ignition Catalytic Converter.

http://www.preignitioncc.com/ps/index.htm

Is this the new male mini enhancement product or is there any truth to this mystery?


 
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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"can" and "we believe" protect the seller from getting sued when there is no change in mileage.

If there was any truth to their claims they would be gobbled up by a large car manufacturer immediately. Every auto manufacturer is looking into how to improve mileage. Anything easy has been done.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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Complete crap with not scientific basis for why it would work. To get the types of efficiency improvements they claim there'd have to be raw fuel shooting out your exhaust prior to their upgrade.
What this product appears to be is some sort of electromagnet that breaks the fuel down. Except, it doesn't work that way. If you were to break the fuel down into it's elemental forms you'd be performing the actual combustion process. Explosions in your intake don't work too well for any engine.
What this product probably actually does is heat the intake air and fuel so that it better atomizes. Smokey Yunick had a car in the 80s that achieved 100mpg using a similar idea. His process involved turbocharging a high compression 4 cylinder car then further heating the intake air. The car absolutely required race fuel and detonated like crazy (bad for engine life) but did actually deliver great fuel economy for a few weeks. You can imagine why this isn't such a good idea in a car you plan to drive for a while and, given that we use intercoolers and cold air intakes to get a cooler, denser intake charge for more power, you can imagine we wouldn't want this system on a performance vehicle.

Popular Mechanics actually did a test on some of the Fuel Savers a while back (I guess they ordered them from their own magazine, but anyone can take out an ad in the back of PM). There's some interesting results and a few were actually very dangerous. This one might fall in the dangerous category as I wouldn't trust anything that tried to electrically heat fuel.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1802932.html
 

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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:16 AM
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Pssst....

I have a bridge to sell you!

Matt

ps, what ever happened to education here? Break water to get power? Um, there are about 750 watts per hp, and if you run 15 amps at 12 volts, that's 180 watts, or about 1/4 hp. Now burn that hydrogen with oxygen and you get..... about 1/4 hp! Also, if you take a bunch of energy to break apart the gas, where does that energy come from.. Oh yeah, the plasma! Plasma powered by what?
 

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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bizarroterl
"can" and "we believe" protect the seller from getting sued when there is no change in mileage.

If there was any truth to their claims they would be gobbled up by a large car manufacturer immediately. Every auto manufacturer is looking into how to improve mileage. Anything easy has been done.
+1

If it were to turn out effective, it would have been all over the place.
 

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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
I have a bridge to sell you!

Matt

ps, what ever happened to education here? Break water to get power? Um, there are about 750 watts per hp, and if you run 15 amps at 12 volts, that's 180 watts, or about 1/4 hp. Now burn that hydrogen with oxygen and you get..... about 1/4 hp! Also, if you take a bunch of energy to break apart the gas, where does that energy come from.. Oh yeah, the plasma! Plasma powered by what?

This is one of the biggest crocks of sh*t there ever was, and the fact that people are even asking if it would work is quite the knock on our system of education.
I love it when people think they can get around the law of conservation of energy and the laws of thermodynamics. These are the modern day Alchemists.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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150 MPG in a Mini?
At first I thought this post said "150 MPH in a Mini?"....

I was gonna tell you to talk to Tuls...
 
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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So does it work or not? Should I sell my gas guzzling 33mpg MCS??
 
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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So does it work or not? Should I sell my gas guzzling 33mpg MCS??
Don't waste you money on this conversion when you could get unlimited mileage with a Cold Fusion conversion kit.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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lol^^
 
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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the mini diesel would be the way to go it supposedly gets 72mpg but that is an imperial gallon one extra quart so figure about 50mpg. a little more maybe. everyone should email mini to send it here.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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It's not MINI keeping the diesel away, it's the fact that they'd have to spend millions getting it certified to meet federal and CARB emission standards. OK, I guess it would be MINI then, but unless 50% of their sales were diesel, I don't think it would be worth it in the US.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Deviant
I love it when people think they can get around the law of conservation of energy and the laws of thermodynamics. These are the modern day Alchemists.
"If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.

— Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1927)
 
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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I'm still waiting on Mini to put flux capacitors in, really it should be part of the convenience package.
 
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