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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken Cooper
State Farm Insurance sent me a brochure years ago that strongly recommended the procedure http://www.motorists.org/other/home/...-your-mirrors/ that you say is not the, "proper" one. You're wrong. I've used their procedure for years. What I've very much appreciated since using it is that when I glance over my shoulder after looking in the side mirror there's never a car there that I haven't already become aware of.
Well and good. That's not the "proper" technique in the sense of the technique that, well, is accepted as general use. That's all I meant and in fact it was someone else who just dropped the word "proper" implying that it was this other way of doing it, the one that isn't in any driver's manuals anywhere, that is in fact proper.

And because 99% of drivers drive a certain way, with mirrors set a certain way, advice like "don't look over your shoulders" is very dangerous. It's fine to say: "here's an alternative". However that's not where this conversation began.
 

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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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When I was in driver training (something sadly lacking these days, btw), we were told not to trust your mirrors.
Exactly. A move to the side is a move relative to all traffic. I.e. your movement to the side is as much "forward" as the way your car is pointed. It's at least as important to see what's there as it is to see what's in front of you. Actually looking over your shoulder gives you the best picture you can get and lets you see things like someone pulling out of a driveway or in from another lane that you could otherwise easily miss.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverRocket
Someone needs to make (or better advertise if someone already does) mirrors like these for the entire MINI lineup, old and new:

http://www.stratmosphere.com/blindspot_inaction_320.jpg

Had these on each of my past VWs and they were definitely the best blindspot reduction product I've seen to date. The slight blue tint also reduced problems with night time glare induced by traffic behind me who refuse to turn off their high beams, have misfocused low beams, or are driving SUVs/monster trucks.
MINI's Euro spec OEM mirrors are wider angle and give better blindspot coverage than the USA version (but not tinted). They are available for both 1st gen and R56.
http://motoringfile.com/2006/11/10/e...rror-retrofit/
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...=51&fg=10&hl=1

Or you can get a Multivex mirror: http://multivexmirror.com/
Their shopping doesn't list R56 yet but they may already it available, or they will make one if you send them a template.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rkw
MINI's Euro spec OEM mirrors are wider angle and give better blindspot coverage than the USA version (but not tinted). They are available for both 1st gen and R56.
http://motoringfile.com/2006/11/10/e...rror-retrofit/
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...=51&fg=10&hl=1

Or you can get a Multivex mirror: http://multivexmirror.com/
Their shopping doesn't list R56 yet but they may already it available, or they will make one if you send them a template.
Thank you so much for the linkage! Does RealOEM usually not list pricing?

I had been looking around for these for the past year and a half, apparrently in all the wrong places...
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=49390
 

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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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I agree with the newer version of how to adjust mirrors. The older version is just duplicating what you already see out the rear view. There should be minimal overlap between the rear view and the side views. If adjusted properly you only have a blind spot directly out the side window and this does not require turning your head very far at all to see. It takes time to get used to this set up but it works very well, even on my 15 passenger dodge van I only need to glance out my side window.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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Another advantage that I have noticed with the newer version of the mirror adjustment is less chance of glare in the side view mirrors. It may also jsut be the way I sit in my seat, but it actually seems to keep the glare from the following cars pointed lightly away from your normal sight-line.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
Don't ever use them??? Their purpose, despite their name, is NOT for you to rest your head on, but to protect you from breaking your neck in the event of an accident. Of course, it's your neck, but they are there for safety, not comfort.
I'd like to think he was talking about the rear headrests in response to an earlier post mentioning they drive with the rear seats folded down for better visability. I took my rear headrests off the back seats in my PT Cruiser to gain more visability. It helped alot in that car. I haven't felt I needed to do it in the MINI. If he was talking about the drivers seat, yes, you are absolutely right and he should put it back on! Also, the headrests need to be on the seats when driving with passengers in them.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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REAR headrests only!

Yeah, I was only talking about the rear headrests being "in the way". I would NEVER think of removing those in front, and agree that rear passengers need them. I got some good info from this thread. I "reset" my side mirrors and while it does take some getting used to, they really DO minimize the need to turn one's head nearly as much as when the mirrors are set the traditional way. I still think the view backing up is not very open compared to cars I've been used to.
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