R55 Clubman a station wagon???
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Out of all of the new vehicle descriptions, "stationwagon" or "wagon" sticks to the Clubman. I guess if there is open space behind the back seat and the roof line extends to the rear of the vehicle, it is a wagon. Doesn't bother me in the least. Also, I was looking at a New Mexico registration printout the other day and it showed "BMW" as the make and "Mini" as the model. I thought that was strange.
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the clubman IS a station wagon....nothing wrong with that
Definition:
The clubman is just like the Cooper but with an extended cargo area.....a station wagon. Even the old long version of the clubman was reffered to as the Mini/Clubman Estate which is the equivalent of 'wagon' over here.
Definition:
The clubman is just like the Cooper but with an extended cargo area.....a station wagon. Even the old long version of the clubman was reffered to as the Mini/Clubman Estate which is the equivalent of 'wagon' over here.
Exactly
I know i'm probably going to start a riot, but that makes the most sense to me. I view the Mini as a BMW. To me MINI is just a nameplate and retro styling they bought from another company, same as Audi/VW. It's the same parent group to me
I kind of find the irony in a German made, British-marketed car. Straight out war didn't work, so they'll buy up the car companies one at a time until they take over the WORLD
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I know i'm probably going to start a riot, but that makes the most sense to me. I view the Mini as a BMW. To me MINI is just a nameplate and retro styling they bought from another company, same as Audi/VW. It's the same parent group to me
I kind of find the irony in a German made, British-marketed car. Straight out war didn't work, so they'll buy up the car companies one at a time until they take over the WORLD
I kind of find the irony in a German made, British-marketed car. Straight out war didn't work, so they'll buy up the car companies one at a time until they take over the WORLD
Anxious Motorer To Be
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From: Southaven, MS
Definitely a wagon....only disadvantage over the old ones is the proximity of the kids you torture on hot, long, dusty road trips. And the lack of moonability presented by the rear facing seats so mom and dad can't see the pressed ham.
No, make is the manufacturer and model is the specific vehicle.
But passing off a MINI or a Bentley as British is heritage based and clever marketing.
BMW owns the Mini nameplate, has designed the new MINI, and sells them through their dealer network. The only thing "British" about them is their heritage.
Same with Bentley, who is now owned by VW AG, along with Lamborghini, which is obviously still marketed as an Italian sports car, because of hte perception of high performance Italian supercars.
Along similar lines, parent company GM sees all profits from Saturn, Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, etc. Opel is under the GM branch and is where a lot of the new Saturn products are coming from. Now they are trying to appear to be a higher quality, import style Euro brand rather than the cheap plastic door cars of the mid 90's with questionable reliability.
So what i'm saying is each individual nameplate has some kind of marketing significance to people and how those vehicles are distinguished impacts their desirability. The MINI has a great heritage that BMW capitalizes on and fills a niche market under the premium subcompact heading.
If it's designed by BMW, built by BMW, and marketed and sold by BMW and it's dealer network, dog gone it it's a BMW
Well, that and being built in Oxford...
Let's see Anglo, Saxon, The Germans, The Normans, The Gauls, The Franks, The French....
According to wiki:
A brake, also known as a break, was a type of horse-drawn carriage used in the nineteenth and early 20th centuries. It was a large or small, open-topped vehicle with four wheels and designed for country use . The form usually met, the "shooting brake", was designed to carry the driver and a gamekeeper at the front, facing forward and up to six sportsmen on longditudinal benches, with their dogs, guns and game carried alongside in slat-sided racks.
In the early 19th century, a break was a large carriage-frame with no body, used for "breaking in" young horses. By the late 19th century the meaning had been extended to also mean a large waggonette.
In the early 19th century, a break was a large carriage-frame with no body, used for "breaking in" young horses. By the late 19th century the meaning had been extended to also mean a large waggonette.
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According to the "Window Sticker" "US/Canadian Parts Content 5%; Major Source of Foreign Parts Content: United Kingdom 35%, Germany 25%; Country of Origin [for] Engine - France [and for] Transmission - Japan"
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From: Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023
It's a wagon for sure. I would like to think of it as a small Nomad, but my Nomad thinks it's a big Clubman. Now I'm waiting for some enterprising individual to buy an all black one and use it as a hearse for midgets, er, little people.
I just searched online...one dealership is 9 miles away, and the next one is 250 miles away!
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Shooting brake (s)
Thanks for the wikipedia link, did not realize I owned a 'shooting brake' (1800ES).
I have to say though that I would add my Saab 95 Aero 5 door to the list - for an automobile that holds more than I would want to unpack in a day it is no slouch on the skidpad.
Speaking of skidpads, has anyone seen any numbers for the '08 Clubman compared to the Coupe?
Or a driving comparison?
Might end up seeing one here:
http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/11/...-s-r53-vs-r56/
SF
I have to say though that I would add my Saab 95 Aero 5 door to the list - for an automobile that holds more than I would want to unpack in a day it is no slouch on the skidpad.
Speaking of skidpads, has anyone seen any numbers for the '08 Clubman compared to the Coupe?
Or a driving comparison?
Might end up seeing one here:
http://www.motoringfile.com/2007/11/...-s-r53-vs-r56/
SF