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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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This may be a dumb question

Ok, so this may be a dumb question, but can a Scroth harness work in a cabrio? My husband wants to get one for Soulfire, but I don't know if it would work in Cecilia as well.
I hope it does!
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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The Schroth uses the seatbelt mounting points, so fitment should not be an issue.
That said, I'm a bit leary of having a harness in a convertible unless you have a roll bar that sits above the head height of the driver. In the event of a rollover, being forced to sit up straight could have negative consequences.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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Not that I am planning on rolling Cecilia, we just wanted to know if it works so I can drive the Dragon a little faster than a crawl. I HATED sliding around these last two years!
I don't AutoX so, it is more to keep my bobbley parts where they are supposed to be in the seat!
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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Don't the rear seat roll bars sit higher then head height of the front seats? And since MINI markets them as roll bars, shouldn't they work as them (atleast long enough until you can get unharnessed)
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 02:51 PM
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It's not a HUGE issue, just something to be aware of. Because the rear roll structure is significantly behind the driver, it counts a lot on the A pillars to support the car (just picture MINInurse's pic, with the car upside down ). A short driver will have more protection than a tall driver.

My statement really comes from my Miata experience - always wanted a harness, but it has the same issue, and to a much greater degree (no OEM roll structure back there.) In the real world I don't know if it would make a difference, but being forced to stay vertical (seatbelts keep one from moving forward and to the outside, but allow one to lean toward the center of the car) if the car rolled would have you pivoting on your head.

All that said, I love having my Schroth.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 02:55 PM
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In the beginning of my driving life back in Germany I had Schroth harnesses twice... a static one in my Rabbit and an 'automatic' in my Ford Escort.
While the static one didn't even allow me to adjust my seat once I had put it on, I actually prefered it over the automatic one.
That one had a little sensor that recognized accelarations (going in curves etc.) and then lock the harness. But the clicking of that sensor drove me nuts :(
Don't know what they have come up with since then... that was over 10 years ago....
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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I don't AutoX so, it is more to keep my bobbley parts where they are supposed to be in the seat!
Wear a snug corset!
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIclo
Wear a snug corset!
That would just keep her 'bobbley parts' together, not necessarily in the seats
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Wear a snug corset!
Oh yeah that would work! Then I REALLY wouldn't be able to breathe! Or something would..... NOT GOING THERE
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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Have you considered the CG-Lock instead?

Yes the Schroth would work in the Cabrio, but you would need to by 2 of them. Schroth req's you to remove/replace a mounting bolt at the rear seats and they apparently won't sell just the hardware. So you wouldn't be able to switch between cars easily.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:46 PM
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We have CG locks, and yes we are moving one over to Cecilia.

We are planning to buy 2, both drivers for each car. The only time I will need it is on the Dragon. My Jay wants to use his instead of the seatbelt. There wouldn't be two in one car. That was the reason we got another MINI, so he could drive his, and I can drive MINE!
 
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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I would not suggest that he use the Schroth as a replacement for the stock belt system. The belts won't allow full movement of the body making it hard to check over your shoulder for traffic and such. It is designed as a special use system for use on track and special events. And for this use it is the best option available.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 06:15 AM
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The belts won't allow full movement of the body making it hard to check over your shoulder for traffic and such. It is designed as a special use system for use on track and special events. And for this use it is the best option available.
Not necessarily.
Schroth offers an autocontrol version that extends like a regular seatbelt
http://english.schroth.com/tuning/pr...d=36&id_kat1=1

From my experience you can still move around fairly well like for getting something from the glove box or pick up a dropped CD. Only the routing of the straps will limit you a bit to the side.

To mount the autocontrol in cabrio though you would need their extender to mount it on the D point (where the standard backseat locks are mounted) so you would have this black box showing on your backseat.
http://english.schroth.com/tuning/pr...d=46&id_kat1=4

Like I had stated before, the old versions of the autocontrol had a little sensor unit (about size of a matchbox, a little thicker though), that contained a ballbearing of some kind and would react to g-forces, locking the harness in place when breaking or going into curves.

You will need to check how the new ones work... seeing the pictures of the harness on their website, they still show the little red/black cable that I remember connecting to the sensor.

I would have loved a switch that would have allowed me to force it in locked position from the driver seat (there is no such control on the unit at all). Loved the tucked it feeling of the static :D
 

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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
I would not suggest that he use the Schroth as a replacement for the stock belt system. The belts won't allow full movement of the body making it hard to check over your shoulder for traffic and such. It is designed as a special use system for use on track and special events. And for this use it is the best option available.
Thread Jack: I actually use bubble mirrors for blind spots. I don't ever look over my shoulder. I am actually considering removing the rear view mirror because it gets in my way sometimes.

B.O.T
 
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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Stupid thought...
Isn't it that the airbag will not release when the seatbelt isn't worn ?
If that is the case and you would still want airbag protection when wearing the Schroth (don't know if this would have any effect at all or even cause any danger) you probably would need to put a dummy fitting into the belt lock.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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The Schroth actually fits into the female OEM buckle, so no issues there. Its possible that the airbag will deploy faster/harder w/o the seatbelt buckled, but not sure about that.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JustJAY
Thread Jack: I actually use bubble mirrors for blind spots. I don't ever look over my shoulder. I am actually considering removing the rear view mirror because it gets in my way sometimes.

B.O.T
lol OK another driver to look out for.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 03:42 PM
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Just got to ask...
"What parts are we speaking of"
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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Are you asking about the harness? If so, here is a link to them.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2007 | 08:46 PM
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Here's a cheap and easy way to keep yourself snug in your seat...


This is a locking clip that came with my baby's car seat. I'm pretty sure most have them. It's not something we needed for the car seat, but when I saw how it held the latch plate in place, I knew I had a solution to my sliding around at the Dragon or on auto-x. Now when I snug up the seatbelt, it stays in place and so do I! And the best part...it was free!
 
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