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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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Has anybody ever gone to a safe place (large open parking lot) and tried to get DSC to completely save the car from losing control? How well does it work.

What if you were going around a turn and pushing so hard that the car started to try and spin. Would DSC prevent that or save it once it started? I have been wanting to try it and make DSC truely engage but have not found an adequate space. Sure it enganges when accellerating too hard but I have never seen it engage from the car sliding or starting to spin.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:29 PM
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If you're wheels aren't spinning..

there is NO DIFFERENCE in engine power DSC on or off. I doubt anyone can show any real data to show any different.

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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Edge
And ironically you still have the part that people complain about... ASC+T.

So guess what, you DO have it. The part that sucks. It's unavoidable on MCSes because it's standard. DSC just adds "more stuff" to ASC+T, and the "more" is all GOOD stuff.

So all you've done by not specifying DSC is to keep the bad stuff and not get the good stuff. Of course you can just leave it all switched off... but those of us with DSC still have that option too.
You are wrong Edge my friend. I have silenced that damn Electro Nanny forever. Ian Cull sent me a swell little circuit to keep her from trying to drive for me.

EDIT....I shut off a piece of junk that was free with my car. You get to shut your $500 piece of junk off.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by k_h_d
Has anybody ever gone to a safe place (large open parking lot) and tried to get DSC to completely save the car from losing control? How well does it work.

What if you were going around a turn and pushing so hard that the car started to try and spin. Would DSC prevent that or save it once it started? I have been wanting to try it and make DSC truely engage but have not found an adequate space. Sure it enganges when accellerating too hard but I have never seen it engage from the car sliding or starting to spin.
Best place to try out DSC is in a big open lot with wet/slick conditions. Start by using the paint lines as a slalom course and keep increasing speed until you feel the car start to over-steer. Then just keep turning like you wanted to spin out. The DSC will kick in and stabilize the car so you maintain control. Now try it w/o DSC on
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Crashton


You are wrong Edge my friend. I have silenced that damn Electro Nanny forever. Ian Cull sent me a swell little circuit to keep her from trying to drive for me.

EDIT....I shut off a piece of junk that was free with my car. You get to shut your $500 piece of junk off.
Junk.......


And yes you did get it, you just choose to turn off the traction control which we all hate.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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you can really notice how DSC works at the auto-x track. i ran signifigantly faster times with it on than with it off. i attribute this to a happy lead foot and it seems to control your turning a lot better, expecially when exiting turns .

but that is me and i love wheel spin and tail slides
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
Junk.......


And yes you did get it, you just choose to turn off the traction control which we all hate.
OK I admit it, my car is cursed with that wretched thing, but I've killed it. YES!!!
 
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
Junk.......
Yep
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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Once you are above 30 mph, you should put it on. You wont do anything except something really dumb to trigger it. from a start sure, getting on a NY entrance ramp, yes take it off. But, after that turn it on, you can slam a MCS around and it wont light up unless you are about to die.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 12:21 AM
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dsc/astc combo only effects you in a bad way when you are going from very slow or stopped to full speed ahead on a sharp turn. driving is fine and dandy to do that and it will save you.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 01:19 AM
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by El_Jefe
Once you are above 30 mph, you should put it on. You wont do anything except something really dumb to trigger it. from a start sure, getting on a NY entrance ramp, yes take it off. But, after that turn it on, you can slam a MCS around and it wont light up unless you are about to die.
I like to leave it off until about 60.

The damn thing stops my 45mph rolling burnouts.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by k_h_d
Has anybody ever gone to a safe place (large open parking lot) and tried to get DSC to completely save the car from losing control? How well does it work.

What if you were going around a turn and pushing so hard that the car started to try and spin. Would DSC prevent that or save it once it started? I have been wanting to try it and make DSC truely engage but have not found an adequate space. Sure it enganges when accellerating too hard but I have never seen it engage from the car sliding or starting to spin.
Remember, once you have exceeded the law of physics, the Mini DSC system or any other like system will NOT save your butt!
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Crashton
You are wrong Edge my friend. I have silenced that damn Electro Nanny forever. Ian Cull sent me a swell little circuit to keep her from trying to drive for me.

EDIT....I shut off a piece of junk that was free with my car. You get to shut your $500 piece of junk off.
I have the exact same circuit... and when I first got it, I too drove around with DSC switched off most of the time (using the "track mode" option of the IAC)... for a while. Then I felt the effects of DSC (the GOOD parts) kicking in, and I realized how amazing the system is... and now I leave it on 99% of the time, and just turn it off before I perform hard accelleration.

But you're wrong... I didn't pay $500 for a piece of junk. I paid $500 for very good technology... it's the stuff you ALWAYS get with the car, that you have too, that is a piece of junk.

Believe me, if it was possible to disable ASC+T but leave all of the other DSC functions enabled, I would choose that in a heartbeat.
Originally Posted by k_h_d
Has anybody ever gone to a safe place (large open parking lot) and tried to get DSC to completely save the car from losing control? How well does it work.

What if you were going around a turn and pushing so hard that the car started to try and spin. Would DSC prevent that or save it once it started? I have been wanting to try it and make DSC truely engage but have not found an adequate space. Sure it enganges when accellerating too hard but I have never seen it engage from the car sliding or starting to spin.
Yes, I have seen (felt) it in action, it's incredible... like a "hand of God" feeling. The first time I truly appreciated it, I was taking a hard right turn on a wet road... a bit faster than I should have. The car started to slide out (with a lane-dividing curb only a few feet away!), and DSC kicked in, wrenched me back in the correct direction. That made me a believer. I still hate the ASC+T functions though.
Originally Posted by rc'S
Remember, once you have exceeded the law of physics, the Mini DSC system or any other like system will NOT save your butt!
True, but DSC can save your butt in situations that no driver would be able to recover from, simply because it can do things that the driver controls don't let you do... most especially braking individual wheels. Of course, really good drivers would never get into situations that required DSC in the first place, but that's a separate matter.
 

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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 10:53 AM
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Tried to get up my driveway this past weekend with snow for the first time. Got up about 10 ft and my S stalled out; would not go another foot. Tried a few times with the same effect. I figured out that it might be the DSC so turned it off and was able to get up with some wheel spin. I would never have gotten up with it on.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by loveminis
Tried to get up my driveway this past weekend with snow for the first time. Got up about 10 ft and my S stalled out; would not go another foot. Tried a few times with the same effect. I figured out that it might be the DSC so turned it off and was able to get up with some wheel spin. I would never have gotten up with it on.
Yes, there are obviously some situations where you want it turned off... which is why they give you a switch.

In actual fact, the problem wasn't the DSC-specific functions, but again it was the underlying ASC+T functions that were preventing you from making it up the driveway. Even if you had not opted for DSC, you would have experienced the exact same problem.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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DSC is some topic - I'm glad I added the package after I ordered. I would hate to see all this back and forth, and not have the technology and be in the KNOW LOL (:
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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DCS is remarkable for correcting oversteer after fast turns, but not as fun as steering imput and throttle control to recover.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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I will be certainly be turning it off for a bit of fun in whats left of Portland's Freaksnow. Anyone else have any fun with their winter weather recently?
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by erickvonzipper
Well, I'm not a new driver - been driving in a 'spirited' manner for 30 years. I don't speed, per se, but I like to get up to speed quickly, and the DSC was hampering that. The MINI handles well enough that I don't need it on when driving on dry roads, but it sure has proven itself in the wet, and snow, where I'm never in a rush, BTW - so it'll always be on in non-dry conditions.

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One question for ya, so you see the DSC light blinking all the time while accelerating before you turned it off?
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by xtremepsionic
One question for ya, so you see the DSC light blinking all the time while accelerating before you turned it off?
No, it flashes when it kicks in...as soon as it corrects, it stops flashing.
 
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