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From: Eugene
All I really know about what happened is from the photo of a very badly damaged MINI. 
From that photo, I assume that the driver may have been killed. That is what we have been told, but I really do not know. Without really knowing what happened to cause this accident, I can not blame the driver. Youth and inexperience may be a factor, but I wasn't there so if I try to go beyond what I truely know, then I can only start making assumptions and speculations. This I will not do.
What I know is that a good car is destroyed :???: IF what we have been told is true, then this was a tragic accident and loss of life is usually regretable. Because I do not know the person that was reported to be killed, I can not place a value on their life. That person may have been a great person or a total flaming ***. We don't know.
I have known people that were so bad that the were described as "what a waste of skin", and when they died no tears were lost. If Trailbalzer had someone like this in mind, then the car being more valuable than life might not be unreasonable or unfeeling. Usually a loss of a car can not match a loss of a life. In this case??? Life is too short to fight about what we don't know. We can try to be rational and when we are driving we can try to be carefull so we don't become the subject of a sad thread like this.
From that photo, I assume that the driver may have been killed. That is what we have been told, but I really do not know. Without really knowing what happened to cause this accident, I can not blame the driver. Youth and inexperience may be a factor, but I wasn't there so if I try to go beyond what I truely know, then I can only start making assumptions and speculations. This I will not do.What I know is that a good car is destroyed :???: IF what we have been told is true, then this was a tragic accident and loss of life is usually regretable. Because I do not know the person that was reported to be killed, I can not place a value on their life. That person may have been a great person or a total flaming ***. We don't know.
I have known people that were so bad that the were described as "what a waste of skin", and when they died no tears were lost. If Trailbalzer had someone like this in mind, then the car being more valuable than life might not be unreasonable or unfeeling. Usually a loss of a car can not match a loss of a life. In this case??? Life is too short to fight about what we don't know. We can try to be rational and when we are driving we can try to be carefull so we don't become the subject of a sad thread like this.
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>>All I really know about what happened is from the photo of a very badly damaged MINI.
From that photo, I assume that the driver may have been killed. That is what we have been told, but I really do not know. Without really knowing what happened to cause this accident, I can not blame the driver. Youth and inexperience may be a factor, but I wasn't there so if I try to go beyond what I truely know, then I can only start making assumptions and speculations. This I will not do.>>
>>What I know is that a good car is destroyed :???: IF what we have been told is true, then this was a tragic accident and loss of life is usually regretable. Because I do not know the person that was reported to be killed, I can not place a value on their life. That person may have been a great person or a total flaming ***. We don't know.
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>>I have known people that were so bad that the were described as "what a waste of skin", and when they died no tears were lost. If Trailbalzer had someone like this in mind, then the car being more valuable than life might not be unreasonable or unfeeling. Usually a loss of a car can not match a loss of a life. In this case??? Life is too short to fight about what we don't know. We can try to be rational and when we are driving we can try to be carefull so we don't become the subject of a sad thread like this.
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Who is this MotorMad Guy??? I like his words! Thanks Mad!
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From: Pittsburgh PA
i had a good friend of mine die in a car crash this past summer and this pic just struck too close to home. a drunk driver plowed into his car sending him into a telephone poll snapping his neck instantly. summer before our senior year. just goes to show how eaisly someone can die. my prayers go out to the drivers family and friends. peace be with you all
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From: Washington DC
Where this really did happen????????????
Anyone know???????????????????
I'm sorry to say this.
But what amazed me from this picture is this is really happen in china. the cop behind the car has the typical chinese looking and chinese uniform look as well, and people around it are asian looking as well.
China is one the worst countrise on control traffic. that might be not driver's fault, it might be somebody else fault, i don't think somebody would possible to hit the pole in a position like that, except he is really lost.
On the other hand, in china a lot of people doing DUI. i can not 100% sure what really happend.
Anyway, there are no chinese dealers on MINI international, but i did found 3 original MINI official website in China. what is this?????
Special or what???????
Peace and drive safe
Anyone know???????????????????
I'm sorry to say this.
But what amazed me from this picture is this is really happen in china. the cop behind the car has the typical chinese looking and chinese uniform look as well, and people around it are asian looking as well.
China is one the worst countrise on control traffic. that might be not driver's fault, it might be somebody else fault, i don't think somebody would possible to hit the pole in a position like that, except he is really lost.
On the other hand, in china a lot of people doing DUI. i can not 100% sure what really happend.
Anyway, there are no chinese dealers on MINI international, but i did found 3 original MINI official website in China. what is this?????
Special or what???????
Peace and drive safe
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From: Mexico
The accident happened in Mexico City, sunday before dawn.
I read the article in the Reforma Newspaper. According to them the driver died instantly, there were two 22 year old guys in the cars, probably drunk and lost control of the car.
I do feel sorry for the family, as a car can be replaced, but the worst part is that it´s the second serious injury I´ve heard of related to Minis. The other case, another very young driver (18-20) crashed his cooper against another car, in which a Lady ended up in coma.
The message of this picture should be: Enjoy Life and remember to not take it for granted.
I read the article in the Reforma Newspaper. According to them the driver died instantly, there were two 22 year old guys in the cars, probably drunk and lost control of the car.
I do feel sorry for the family, as a car can be replaced, but the worst part is that it´s the second serious injury I´ve heard of related to Minis. The other case, another very young driver (18-20) crashed his cooper against another car, in which a Lady ended up in coma.
The message of this picture should be: Enjoy Life and remember to not take it for granted.
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From: New Jersey
imho:
anyone who comes on this site, for the most part, is a fan of the mini. many of us own our own minis, so we are all brought together by one common bond: a car. an automobile. a car that by far has given me the best times behind the wheel, but a car nonetheless. something basically created to make getting from one place to another a little easier, and getting from one place to another is necessary for survival.
true.
however, this was a 22 year old man. someone who may have had too much to drink, who may have been driving too fast. who here doesn't know someone who's done that? i have been guilty of driving too fast myself. does that lessen the loss? does that cause "fault"? perhaps it was his stupidity, but that doesn't make his mother say "ah, so what. he did it to himself" i don't think it matters whether we assume that he made a fatal error or if we assume someone did it to him, either way, a life was lost.
the passenger in the car has to live with a lot from this day forward. the family of the driver may never lead a normal life again.
this was a young person, perhaps in college, most likely looking forward to the world that was ahead of him. he never saw it.
i know this is minicooperonline. however, this topic goes far beyond the love of a car. it hits me somewhere that has nothing to do with what car i drive, or what car i love to own.
just my opinion.
anyone who comes on this site, for the most part, is a fan of the mini. many of us own our own minis, so we are all brought together by one common bond: a car. an automobile. a car that by far has given me the best times behind the wheel, but a car nonetheless. something basically created to make getting from one place to another a little easier, and getting from one place to another is necessary for survival.
true.
however, this was a 22 year old man. someone who may have had too much to drink, who may have been driving too fast. who here doesn't know someone who's done that? i have been guilty of driving too fast myself. does that lessen the loss? does that cause "fault"? perhaps it was his stupidity, but that doesn't make his mother say "ah, so what. he did it to himself" i don't think it matters whether we assume that he made a fatal error or if we assume someone did it to him, either way, a life was lost.
the passenger in the car has to live with a lot from this day forward. the family of the driver may never lead a normal life again.
this was a young person, perhaps in college, most likely looking forward to the world that was ahead of him. he never saw it.
i know this is minicooperonline. however, this topic goes far beyond the love of a car. it hits me somewhere that has nothing to do with what car i drive, or what car i love to own.
just my opinion.
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From: Eugene
Thanks Mexminime for sharing accurate information. I appreciate getting facts and not speculations. To try to help us all learn, I am submitting this long post.
I did a web search for the news paper your referred to in your post. I found the photo and related article. I do not speak or read spanish so for the sake of accuracy I will provide the original article in spanish and a very rough translation from a free online spanish to english translator (you get what you pay for).
From the Reforma Newspaper:
ciudad de méxico
Mueren dos por irresponsabilidad
El primer percance ocurrió a las 4:30 horas de este sábado, y el conductor del auto amarillo, un joven de unos 22 años, murió inmediatamente; el otro accidente ocurrió a las 6:00 horas y cobró la vida de Carlos Garcia, de 49 años
Por CARLOS ARTEAGA Y LUIS OCAMPO / Grupo Reforma
Ciudad de México (19 abril 2003).- Un joven de 22 años y un taxista murieron la madrugada y al amanecer de este sábado, el primero por manejar a exceso de velocidad y el segundo por obviar un semáforo en rojo.
Bomberos de la estación de Tacubaya acudieron con equipo especial utilizado para romper partes metálicas y liberar los cuerpos de las víctimas. / FOTO: CARLOS ARTEAGA
El conductor de un automóvil Mini Cooper murió este sábado y su acompañante quedó lesionado de gravedad, luego que el vehículo se estrellara contra un poste en la Avenida de los Constituyentes, al parecer por el exceso de velocidad.
El percance ocurrió a las 4:30 horas de este sábado, y el conductor del auto amarillo, un joven de unos 22 años, murió inmediatamente.
En tanto, su acompañante de la misma edad, quedó inconsciente y con heridas profundas en el cráneo, por lo que fue llevado al Hospital Inglés para su atención médica de urgencia.
Debido a que a la hora en la que ocurrió el accidente no pasó nadie por el lugar, no hubo una versión que pudiera ayudar a los peritos de la agencia 11 del Ministerio Público a conocer la manera en la que ocurrió el percance, por lo que esperaran el resultado de los peritajes de tránsito.
"Nos indican los policías del sector Tacubaya que cuando ellos llegaron encontraron sobre Constituyentes casi con Acueducto, a un costado de la Tercera Sección del Bosque de Chapultepec, el auto colisionado. A pesar de que ya había varios conductores tratando de auxiliar a los dos jóvenes, ninguno de ellos estuvo presente en el accidente.
"El auto trae la constancia de alta vehicular a nombre de Armando Guevara Briones, pero todavía desconocemos la identidad del conductor y del acompañante, ambos son muy jóvenes y desconocemos si venían en estado de ebriedad. El acta la vamos a iniciar en la Coordinación Territorial de Miguel Hidalgo 5", mencionó uno de los peritos de la Procuraduría General de Justicia del Distrito Federal que llegó a recabar información.
Bomberos de la estación de Tacubaya acudieron con equipo especial utilizado para romper partes metálicas, ya que el cuerpo de la víctima quedó prensado de sus pies entre el asiento y el tablero.
Por más de dos horas la vialidad sobre la Avenida de los Constituyentes se vio afectada y fue hasta las 7:00 horas que se normalizó el paso vehicular.
Ignora taxista un semáforo y muere
Un taxista que ignoró la luz roja de un semáforo murió este sábado cuando su vehículo fue impactado por otro en la esquina de Insurgentes Sur y Vito Alessio Robles, en la colonia Guadalupe Chimalistac de la delegación Álvaro Obregón.
Alrededor de las 6:00 horas, Carlos Garcia, de 49 años, conducía el taxi con matrícula L47695 sobre Vito Alesio Robles, y aunque debió detenerse, cruzó sin precaución Insurgentes.
Sobre esa última avenida circulaba Farid Elzaquir, quien conducía un automóvil Grad Prix con matrícula 270PRE, que golpeó al taxi en su parte posterior derecha.
A consecuencia de ello, García falleció y Óscar Hernández, quien viajaba como pasajero, resultó lesionado, por lo que fue trasladado al Hospital Naval.
El conductor del auto particular fue detenido y trasladado a la agencia 24 del Ministerio Público, que determinara su responsabilidad en los hechos.
Now for the rough english translation
City of Mexico
Two by irresponsibility die
The first mishap happened to 4:30 hours of this Saturday, and
the driver of the yellow car, a young person of about 22 years, died
immediately; the other accident happened to 6:00 hours and summoned up
the life of Carlos Garcia, of 49 years
By CARLOS ARTEAGA and LUIS OCAMPO/Reformation Group
City of Mexico (19 April 2003)- a young person of 22 years and a taxi driver died the dawn and to the dawn of this Saturday, first by handling to excess of speed and
the second to avoid a traffic light in red.
Firemen of the station of Tacubaya went with special equipment used to
break metallic parts and to release the bodies of the victims. / PHOTO: CARLOS ARTEAGA
The driver of a Mini automobile Cooper died east Saturday and its companion was injured of gravity, as soon as the vehicle crashed against a post in the Avenue of the Components, apparently by the excess of speed.
The mishap happened to 4:30 hours of this Saturday, and the driver of the yellow car, a young person of about 22 years, died immediately.
In as much, its companion of the same age, was unconscious and with deep wounds in the skull, reason why it was taken to the English Hospital for its medical attention of urgency.
Because to the hour in which it happened the accident did not pass anybody by the place, there was no a version that could help the experts of agency 11 of the Public Ministry to know the way in which it happened the mishap, reason why waited for the result of the
transit expert works.
"they indicate the police of the Tacubaya sector that when they arrived found almost on Components with Aqueduct, to a flank of the Third Section of the Forest of Chapultepec, the collided car. Although already there were several conductors treating to help to
both young, no of them was present in the accident.
"the car brings the high certainty of vehicular to name of Arming Guevara Briones, but still we do not know the identity of the conductor and of the companion, both are very young and we do not know if they came in ebriedad state. The act we are going it to initiate in the Territorial Coordination of Miguel Hidalgo 5", mentioned one of the experts of the General Office of the judge advocate general of Justice of the Federal District that got to successfully obtain information.
Firemen of the station of Tacubaya went with special equipment used to break metallic parts, since the body of the victim was pressed of its feet between the seat and the board.
By more than two hours the road on the Avenue of the Components was affected and was until the 7:00 hours that standardized the step to vehicular.
A traffic light ignores taxi driver and dies
A taxi driver who ignored the red light of a traffic light died east Saturday when its vehicle was hit by another one in the corner of Insurgents Sur and Vito Alessio Robles, in the colony Guadalupe Chimalistac of the delegation Alvaro Obregón.
Around the 6:00 hours, Carlos Garcia, of 49 years, lead the taxi with L47695 matriculation on Vito Alesio Robles, and although he had to stop, crossed without precaution Insurgent.
On that last avenue Farid Elzaquir circulated, that drived an automobile Grad Prix with matriculation 270PRE, that struck to the taxi in its right later part.
As a result of it, Garci'a passed away and Óscar Hernandez, who traveled like passenger, was injured, reason why it was transferred to the Naval Hospital.
The driver of the particular car was stopped and transferred agency 24 of the Public Ministry, that determined its responsibility in the facts.
End of translation
Two unrelated accidents resulting in fatalities were reported in this same article. The first was about a 22 year old MINI driver who was killed. Speed was a factor and alcohol may have been a factor. His companion was seriously injured. We know little about these young men. I find it tragic that the young driver made a mistake that took his life. He will never get another chance.
Although it has been a few years since I was that age (ok quite a few years), I know that I did not always make the best decisions in my youth. I was fortunate enough that none of my poor decisions resulted in my death (or the death or injury of another). I am reminded "But for the grace of God, there go I." With this humbling thought, I wish his family the best and hope the loss of this young life will reach others and make them aware of the delicate nature of life so that they will give it their full respect.
The second fatal accident reported in the news paper article should drive it home that driving is a serious business and should be yet another reminder for all of us to be careful. I ,as I imagine many others on this website do, love speed and the thrill of linking a series of corners together. For me that is a large part of the draw of a MINI. I will continue to try to carefully choose when and where I can go fast so I can have many more years of happy motoring. I wish you all the same.
I did a web search for the news paper your referred to in your post. I found the photo and related article. I do not speak or read spanish so for the sake of accuracy I will provide the original article in spanish and a very rough translation from a free online spanish to english translator (you get what you pay for).
From the Reforma Newspaper:
ciudad de méxico
Mueren dos por irresponsabilidad
El primer percance ocurrió a las 4:30 horas de este sábado, y el conductor del auto amarillo, un joven de unos 22 años, murió inmediatamente; el otro accidente ocurrió a las 6:00 horas y cobró la vida de Carlos Garcia, de 49 años
Por CARLOS ARTEAGA Y LUIS OCAMPO / Grupo Reforma
Ciudad de México (19 abril 2003).- Un joven de 22 años y un taxista murieron la madrugada y al amanecer de este sábado, el primero por manejar a exceso de velocidad y el segundo por obviar un semáforo en rojo.
Bomberos de la estación de Tacubaya acudieron con equipo especial utilizado para romper partes metálicas y liberar los cuerpos de las víctimas. / FOTO: CARLOS ARTEAGA
El conductor de un automóvil Mini Cooper murió este sábado y su acompañante quedó lesionado de gravedad, luego que el vehículo se estrellara contra un poste en la Avenida de los Constituyentes, al parecer por el exceso de velocidad.
El percance ocurrió a las 4:30 horas de este sábado, y el conductor del auto amarillo, un joven de unos 22 años, murió inmediatamente.
En tanto, su acompañante de la misma edad, quedó inconsciente y con heridas profundas en el cráneo, por lo que fue llevado al Hospital Inglés para su atención médica de urgencia.
Debido a que a la hora en la que ocurrió el accidente no pasó nadie por el lugar, no hubo una versión que pudiera ayudar a los peritos de la agencia 11 del Ministerio Público a conocer la manera en la que ocurrió el percance, por lo que esperaran el resultado de los peritajes de tránsito.
"Nos indican los policías del sector Tacubaya que cuando ellos llegaron encontraron sobre Constituyentes casi con Acueducto, a un costado de la Tercera Sección del Bosque de Chapultepec, el auto colisionado. A pesar de que ya había varios conductores tratando de auxiliar a los dos jóvenes, ninguno de ellos estuvo presente en el accidente.
"El auto trae la constancia de alta vehicular a nombre de Armando Guevara Briones, pero todavía desconocemos la identidad del conductor y del acompañante, ambos son muy jóvenes y desconocemos si venían en estado de ebriedad. El acta la vamos a iniciar en la Coordinación Territorial de Miguel Hidalgo 5", mencionó uno de los peritos de la Procuraduría General de Justicia del Distrito Federal que llegó a recabar información.
Bomberos de la estación de Tacubaya acudieron con equipo especial utilizado para romper partes metálicas, ya que el cuerpo de la víctima quedó prensado de sus pies entre el asiento y el tablero.
Por más de dos horas la vialidad sobre la Avenida de los Constituyentes se vio afectada y fue hasta las 7:00 horas que se normalizó el paso vehicular.
Ignora taxista un semáforo y muere
Un taxista que ignoró la luz roja de un semáforo murió este sábado cuando su vehículo fue impactado por otro en la esquina de Insurgentes Sur y Vito Alessio Robles, en la colonia Guadalupe Chimalistac de la delegación Álvaro Obregón.
Alrededor de las 6:00 horas, Carlos Garcia, de 49 años, conducía el taxi con matrícula L47695 sobre Vito Alesio Robles, y aunque debió detenerse, cruzó sin precaución Insurgentes.
Sobre esa última avenida circulaba Farid Elzaquir, quien conducía un automóvil Grad Prix con matrícula 270PRE, que golpeó al taxi en su parte posterior derecha.
A consecuencia de ello, García falleció y Óscar Hernández, quien viajaba como pasajero, resultó lesionado, por lo que fue trasladado al Hospital Naval.
El conductor del auto particular fue detenido y trasladado a la agencia 24 del Ministerio Público, que determinara su responsabilidad en los hechos.
Now for the rough english translation
City of Mexico
Two by irresponsibility die
The first mishap happened to 4:30 hours of this Saturday, and
the driver of the yellow car, a young person of about 22 years, died
immediately; the other accident happened to 6:00 hours and summoned up
the life of Carlos Garcia, of 49 years
By CARLOS ARTEAGA and LUIS OCAMPO/Reformation Group
City of Mexico (19 April 2003)- a young person of 22 years and a taxi driver died the dawn and to the dawn of this Saturday, first by handling to excess of speed and
the second to avoid a traffic light in red.
Firemen of the station of Tacubaya went with special equipment used to
break metallic parts and to release the bodies of the victims. / PHOTO: CARLOS ARTEAGA
The driver of a Mini automobile Cooper died east Saturday and its companion was injured of gravity, as soon as the vehicle crashed against a post in the Avenue of the Components, apparently by the excess of speed.
The mishap happened to 4:30 hours of this Saturday, and the driver of the yellow car, a young person of about 22 years, died immediately.
In as much, its companion of the same age, was unconscious and with deep wounds in the skull, reason why it was taken to the English Hospital for its medical attention of urgency.
Because to the hour in which it happened the accident did not pass anybody by the place, there was no a version that could help the experts of agency 11 of the Public Ministry to know the way in which it happened the mishap, reason why waited for the result of the
transit expert works.
"they indicate the police of the Tacubaya sector that when they arrived found almost on Components with Aqueduct, to a flank of the Third Section of the Forest of Chapultepec, the collided car. Although already there were several conductors treating to help to
both young, no of them was present in the accident.
"the car brings the high certainty of vehicular to name of Arming Guevara Briones, but still we do not know the identity of the conductor and of the companion, both are very young and we do not know if they came in ebriedad state. The act we are going it to initiate in the Territorial Coordination of Miguel Hidalgo 5", mentioned one of the experts of the General Office of the judge advocate general of Justice of the Federal District that got to successfully obtain information.
Firemen of the station of Tacubaya went with special equipment used to break metallic parts, since the body of the victim was pressed of its feet between the seat and the board.
By more than two hours the road on the Avenue of the Components was affected and was until the 7:00 hours that standardized the step to vehicular.
A traffic light ignores taxi driver and dies
A taxi driver who ignored the red light of a traffic light died east Saturday when its vehicle was hit by another one in the corner of Insurgents Sur and Vito Alessio Robles, in the colony Guadalupe Chimalistac of the delegation Alvaro Obregón.
Around the 6:00 hours, Carlos Garcia, of 49 years, lead the taxi with L47695 matriculation on Vito Alesio Robles, and although he had to stop, crossed without precaution Insurgent.
On that last avenue Farid Elzaquir circulated, that drived an automobile Grad Prix with matriculation 270PRE, that struck to the taxi in its right later part.
As a result of it, Garci'a passed away and Óscar Hernandez, who traveled like passenger, was injured, reason why it was transferred to the Naval Hospital.
The driver of the particular car was stopped and transferred agency 24 of the Public Ministry, that determined its responsibility in the facts.
End of translation
Two unrelated accidents resulting in fatalities were reported in this same article. The first was about a 22 year old MINI driver who was killed. Speed was a factor and alcohol may have been a factor. His companion was seriously injured. We know little about these young men. I find it tragic that the young driver made a mistake that took his life. He will never get another chance.
Although it has been a few years since I was that age (ok quite a few years), I know that I did not always make the best decisions in my youth. I was fortunate enough that none of my poor decisions resulted in my death (or the death or injury of another). I am reminded "But for the grace of God, there go I." With this humbling thought, I wish his family the best and hope the loss of this young life will reach others and make them aware of the delicate nature of life so that they will give it their full respect.
The second fatal accident reported in the news paper article should drive it home that driving is a serious business and should be yet another reminder for all of us to be careful. I ,as I imagine many others on this website do, love speed and the thrill of linking a series of corners together. For me that is a large part of the draw of a MINI. I will continue to try to carefully choose when and where I can go fast so I can have many more years of happy motoring. I wish you all the same.
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From: Eugene
mexminime,
I am lucky to live in a time where I have access to websites that perform translations for me. I found the newspaper article you referred to and tried to make sense out of it in spanish, but I was not getting very far. I then serched the web for "spanish to english translators" and found a free translator site into which I copied the spanish artilce, pressed a button and out came an english version of the story. I wish I knew spanish well enough to take credit for the translation, but it was the computer that did the hard work.
Thanks again for providing source documentation to your original post on this thread. By doing so, you helped stop the speculation as to where it happened and if it were real, etc. I was able to independently verify what you had told us in your first post. Thanks for helping us remember that as super as the MINI is, it only can go so far to protect us. We have to be rational enough to do the rest.
I am lucky to live in a time where I have access to websites that perform translations for me. I found the newspaper article you referred to and tried to make sense out of it in spanish, but I was not getting very far. I then serched the web for "spanish to english translators" and found a free translator site into which I copied the spanish artilce, pressed a button and out came an english version of the story. I wish I knew spanish well enough to take credit for the translation, but it was the computer that did the hard work.
Thanks again for providing source documentation to your original post on this thread. By doing so, you helped stop the speculation as to where it happened and if it were real, etc. I was able to independently verify what you had told us in your first post. Thanks for helping us remember that as super as the MINI is, it only can go so far to protect us. We have to be rational enough to do the rest.
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