R50/53 The SUV Backlash and Terrorism
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Think of all the congressmen who are being chauffeured around Washington in their polluting limos. Does smoking pollute? The more you smoke the more taxes they collect. They can't afford to make smoking illegal. What about all the cows around the world. Their flatulence makes the pollution from SUVs seem miniscule. Don't get me started!!! Those hogs in Washington receive $15,000 a month retirement after 4 years in Congress. What do our retired armed forces get? No, not the generals, the poor injured sods who did the fighting!!! There, that's better. 
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It's interesting the things people point out as being as egregious as SUVs - jet planes, limos, probably also drag racing, helicopters, the space shuttle, etc. I haven't done statistical analyses, but I suspect these things are not quite as common as unnecessary SUV purchases.
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Here's an idea: Stop all the senseless debate over left-wing extremist non-sense and it will conserve plenty of carbon dioxide killer green-house gasses!
Which of you HATE-MONGERS ever consider that to the small minded people we know are out there that "SUV BACKLASH" will become a reality. Just like the eco-terrorists that drive spikes into logging trees, "animal rights" fanatics that spew blood on mink coats, or godless people that hunt abortion doctors in the name of God. You watch, this type of targeted fanatisism will find people attacking SUV's.
If you want a better energy policy, tell it to Washington, use your vote. Otherwise you can perpetuate this idiotic campaign and be self-righteous and tell your countrymen how un-patriotic they are. After all, it says in effect that if you drive an SUV you are not a patriot, you are a traitor. Where do we draw the line? People that drive cars at all? I bought my MINI for FUN. I don't need it. Does that make ME a terrorist supporter? Maybe every car company should have you qualify to buy a car. You can only buy one if you really need it.
LET'S MOTOR!
Which of you HATE-MONGERS ever consider that to the small minded people we know are out there that "SUV BACKLASH" will become a reality. Just like the eco-terrorists that drive spikes into logging trees, "animal rights" fanatics that spew blood on mink coats, or godless people that hunt abortion doctors in the name of God. You watch, this type of targeted fanatisism will find people attacking SUV's.
If you want a better energy policy, tell it to Washington, use your vote. Otherwise you can perpetuate this idiotic campaign and be self-righteous and tell your countrymen how un-patriotic they are. After all, it says in effect that if you drive an SUV you are not a patriot, you are a traitor. Where do we draw the line? People that drive cars at all? I bought my MINI for FUN. I don't need it. Does that make ME a terrorist supporter? Maybe every car company should have you qualify to buy a car. You can only buy one if you really need it.
LET'S MOTOR!
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I don't like SUVs because they are too large and make it unsafe for those of us driving passenger cars because they seem to feel invincible. But, there are bad drivers in small cars and good drivers in large vehicles, too. Yes, it seems like 80% of SUV drivers are single people or moms with only 1 or 2 kids, but that's not something I'd classify as a national threat, just stupidity.
Let's pretend this campaign is successful and millions of Americans dump their SUVs for family sedans and compact cars. A whole lot of Americans will be out of a job making and servicing those SUVs. Then there goes the job market and economy- all by fault of an anti-terrorism campaign. Yeah right. It may sway some in the market for a new vehicle away from the mammoth SUVs, but that's about all it may do.
If they want to get on someone's a$$ about excessive fuel usage, go to the airlines and companies with jets. My sister's fiancé is a pilot of a private jet owned by a company based in the US. I can give you a hundred examples, but here's what's going on this week: the Exec wants to go to Telaviv for a meeting (third trip there in 6 months, but hey this is America!), so the pilots fly to the plane, fill er up, pick up the Exec and fly him to Telaviv with a stop in Canada for even more fuel. Then they fly home on a commercial liner (would you stay and spend a week in Telaviv?), not a short flight I might add (25 hours including 4 hours to get though security). They wait a week, and then they go back to pick up the Exec with another stop over to refuel, in Ireland this time. Then they fly him home with another stop over for fuel in New York. Then the pilots get on a commercial plane and fly home. Any idea how many hundreds of thousands of dollars this one-week business trip just cost that company and its shareholders? How many hundred or thousand gallons of fuel were wasted? You don't want to know because this is what corporations all over this country do every week to "support terrorism". Why not use video-conferencing or have all the Execs fly first class commercial instead of insisting on their own jet? I'm no financial analyst, but I could save companies millions each year just by having them get rid of the private jet. But that's the way America is- you have the choice, nay, the freedom, to be stupid, waste money, support terrorism. Don't get me wrong, I love this country, I just don't agree with everything it does.
Planes have to fill up on fuel, even for short trips so that if they need to be directed to another airport to land or diverted away from problems they won't run out of fuel. Do you know what happens to all this extra fuel? It gets dumped into the air we breathe right before a plane lands to prevent a major explosion if the plane crashes on the ground. It's done all around the country at every major airport, thousands upon thousands of flights each day, around the clock, every day of the year! And yet the government has strict polluting regulations on automobiles. That's such a joke!
Now who's supporting the terrorists? Answer: Anyone who has ever flown in an airplane. Get real- we're all dependent on fossil fuels when we could be using cars powered by photovoltaic cells and hydrogen. Relax people, it's just an ad campaign.
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Let's pretend this campaign is successful and millions of Americans dump their SUVs for family sedans and compact cars. A whole lot of Americans will be out of a job making and servicing those SUVs. Then there goes the job market and economy- all by fault of an anti-terrorism campaign. Yeah right. It may sway some in the market for a new vehicle away from the mammoth SUVs, but that's about all it may do.
If they want to get on someone's a$$ about excessive fuel usage, go to the airlines and companies with jets. My sister's fiancé is a pilot of a private jet owned by a company based in the US. I can give you a hundred examples, but here's what's going on this week: the Exec wants to go to Telaviv for a meeting (third trip there in 6 months, but hey this is America!), so the pilots fly to the plane, fill er up, pick up the Exec and fly him to Telaviv with a stop in Canada for even more fuel. Then they fly home on a commercial liner (would you stay and spend a week in Telaviv?), not a short flight I might add (25 hours including 4 hours to get though security). They wait a week, and then they go back to pick up the Exec with another stop over to refuel, in Ireland this time. Then they fly him home with another stop over for fuel in New York. Then the pilots get on a commercial plane and fly home. Any idea how many hundreds of thousands of dollars this one-week business trip just cost that company and its shareholders? How many hundred or thousand gallons of fuel were wasted? You don't want to know because this is what corporations all over this country do every week to "support terrorism". Why not use video-conferencing or have all the Execs fly first class commercial instead of insisting on their own jet? I'm no financial analyst, but I could save companies millions each year just by having them get rid of the private jet. But that's the way America is- you have the choice, nay, the freedom, to be stupid, waste money, support terrorism. Don't get me wrong, I love this country, I just don't agree with everything it does.
Planes have to fill up on fuel, even for short trips so that if they need to be directed to another airport to land or diverted away from problems they won't run out of fuel. Do you know what happens to all this extra fuel? It gets dumped into the air we breathe right before a plane lands to prevent a major explosion if the plane crashes on the ground. It's done all around the country at every major airport, thousands upon thousands of flights each day, around the clock, every day of the year! And yet the government has strict polluting regulations on automobiles. That's such a joke!
Now who's supporting the terrorists? Answer: Anyone who has ever flown in an airplane. Get real- we're all dependent on fossil fuels when we could be using cars powered by photovoltaic cells and hydrogen. Relax people, it's just an ad campaign.
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>>Here's an idea: Stop all the senseless debate over left-wing extremist non-sense and it will conserve plenty of carbon dioxide killer green-house gasses!
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>>Which of you HATE-MONGERS ever consider that to the small minded people we know are out there that "SUV BACKLASH" will become a reality. Just like the eco-terrorists that drive spikes into logging trees, "animal rights" fanatics that spew blood on mink coats, or godless people that hunt abortion doctors in the name of God. You watch, this type of targeted fanatisism will find people attacking SUV's.
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>>If you want a better energy policy, tell it to Washington, use your vote. Otherwise you can perpetuate this idiotic campaign and be self-righteous and tell your countrymen how un-patriotic they are. After all, it says in effect that if you drive an SUV you are not a patriot, you are a traitor. Where do we draw the line? People that drive cars at all? I bought my MINI for FUN. I don't need it. Does that make ME a terrorist supporter? Maybe every car company should have you qualify to buy a car. You can only buy one if you really need it.
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>>LET'S MOTOR!
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Amen! Halleluah....
I am sorry but Arianna Huffington is a twit. This thread is pathetic. Oil isn't flying airplanes into buildings. Our enemies are not driving SUVs.
They are boarding busses in Isreal to kill children by blowing themselves up. They are living in North Korea fooling Carter and giving him the Nobel, while taking our money to feed the multi million man army. Without our money their soldiers would starve. Our enemies are living in hiding in Pakistan trying to find a new way to kill an innocent serviceman doing his duty in Afghanistan. Our enemy kills his own people and uses weapons of mass destruction against them and their enemies in Iran while our friends deny the existence of the same WOMD that killed the Kurds.
Our enemies, are not from America, it just seems like it sometimes.
Nobody wants war, but how did it go again for Neville Chamberlin... I believe he got Hitler to sign a piece of paper. Wasn't his famous expression " Peace in our time!" Another twit. He figured it out before he died in his defense.
Let's talk about MINIs and how we all share the passion for them. Let's talk about Green versus Blue. How cool they are, and how we hate birds pooping on them. Let's see the monkeys and smile. Have a nice weekend friends.
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>>Which of you HATE-MONGERS ever consider that to the small minded people we know are out there that "SUV BACKLASH" will become a reality. Just like the eco-terrorists that drive spikes into logging trees, "animal rights" fanatics that spew blood on mink coats, or godless people that hunt abortion doctors in the name of God. You watch, this type of targeted fanatisism will find people attacking SUV's.
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>>If you want a better energy policy, tell it to Washington, use your vote. Otherwise you can perpetuate this idiotic campaign and be self-righteous and tell your countrymen how un-patriotic they are. After all, it says in effect that if you drive an SUV you are not a patriot, you are a traitor. Where do we draw the line? People that drive cars at all? I bought my MINI for FUN. I don't need it. Does that make ME a terrorist supporter? Maybe every car company should have you qualify to buy a car. You can only buy one if you really need it.
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>>LET'S MOTOR!
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Amen! Halleluah....
I am sorry but Arianna Huffington is a twit. This thread is pathetic. Oil isn't flying airplanes into buildings. Our enemies are not driving SUVs.
They are boarding busses in Isreal to kill children by blowing themselves up. They are living in North Korea fooling Carter and giving him the Nobel, while taking our money to feed the multi million man army. Without our money their soldiers would starve. Our enemies are living in hiding in Pakistan trying to find a new way to kill an innocent serviceman doing his duty in Afghanistan. Our enemy kills his own people and uses weapons of mass destruction against them and their enemies in Iran while our friends deny the existence of the same WOMD that killed the Kurds.
Our enemies, are not from America, it just seems like it sometimes.
Nobody wants war, but how did it go again for Neville Chamberlin... I believe he got Hitler to sign a piece of paper. Wasn't his famous expression " Peace in our time!" Another twit. He figured it out before he died in his defense.
Let's talk about MINIs and how we all share the passion for them. Let's talk about Green versus Blue. How cool they are, and how we hate birds pooping on them. Let's see the monkeys and smile. Have a nice weekend friends.
jc
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It's so rediculous. Did you hear O'Reilly today? One of the supporters of the campagin is Barbra Strisand. She drives a RV around town because she refuses to use a public restroom...
The others have private jets that use even more fuel, so you ask why they do this? They hate America and want to take your rights away.
Sure, I don't really like SUVs my self but it's your right to drive what you want.
How many times have we tried to incrase oil production here in the US and these liberals have tried to stop it? I'd say they are the ones helping the terrorists.
Also they say SUVs contribute to global warming. Well they may contribute to temporary air pollution but now scientists are saying global warming is due to the release of nitrogen below the ice that is thawing at the bottom of the ocean. This may be caused by the increase of the ground temperatures which are triggered by increased ativity in the core that is triggered by the magnetic influence of distant stars.. This was reported on Art Bell... I don't know if it is true or not but if it was that would be great cuz it would shut up these so called environmentalists!!!
We are the environmentalists because we like to drive our MINIs in beatuiful landscapes!!!!!!!!
CMINIGO - You hit the nail on the head! Thanks!
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The others have private jets that use even more fuel, so you ask why they do this? They hate America and want to take your rights away.
Sure, I don't really like SUVs my self but it's your right to drive what you want.
How many times have we tried to incrase oil production here in the US and these liberals have tried to stop it? I'd say they are the ones helping the terrorists.
Also they say SUVs contribute to global warming. Well they may contribute to temporary air pollution but now scientists are saying global warming is due to the release of nitrogen below the ice that is thawing at the bottom of the ocean. This may be caused by the increase of the ground temperatures which are triggered by increased ativity in the core that is triggered by the magnetic influence of distant stars.. This was reported on Art Bell... I don't know if it is true or not but if it was that would be great cuz it would shut up these so called environmentalists!!!
We are the environmentalists because we like to drive our MINIs in beatuiful landscapes!!!!!!!!
CMINIGO - You hit the nail on the head! Thanks!
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Anything people can do to reduce oil consumption is helpful, including NOT buying SUVs. Simple as that. Are people that buy SUVs terrorists? Of course not. Could they, and all of us, do more to try to reduce our dependency? Absolutely. However, of all the things mentioned, there is probably no contributing factor that has as big an impact as low mileage vehicles. So if we're going to address the issue, SUVs are probably the best place to start. Nobody's debating that people have the right to buy and drive them, but if it's purely to keep up with the Joneses, they should realize that their actions have far-reaching effects and they might want to consider if it's really worth it. (BTW, I don't think it's a trivial thread. I like to hear other people's opinions, even if they aren't in line with my own.)
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Oh for the love of... so now it's "The Liberals" fault? Give me a break! While this "Detroit Project" is pure tripe, I certainly want it clear that I am in no way of the opinion that it has anything to do with any Liberal Agenda.
I'm with you. When O'Reilly get's mentioned, you know it's become a mindless battle of rhetoric. Next thing someone will bring up Sean Hannity or good old Rush.
This is where, as a person who is slightly left of center politicaly, I step out of the thread to let the right wing circle jerk begin.
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My feelings for SUVs goes way back to the first one I ever saw.
We called them stupid useless vehicles...which they essntially are.
Now if you really need one that is another story...I have a boat but
keep it in a marina..I don't tow it around..and it has sails. I don't
have kids to haul around...if I had six...umm maybe a Minivan.
I lived on 46 acres outside Lake Placid, NY 1/2 mile drive way so I
had an SUV with a plow at one time. An Izuzu Trooper 4 cylinder so I didn't drive around with the plow on. But, if someone can give me one good reason why
an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
I'm all ears. Until then, the majority of them I see are, stupid useless
vehicles bought probably for the 0% financing. IMHO.
What ever happened to 'Teach your chidren well?'
We called them stupid useless vehicles...which they essntially are.
Now if you really need one that is another story...I have a boat but
keep it in a marina..I don't tow it around..and it has sails. I don't
have kids to haul around...if I had six...umm maybe a Minivan.
I lived on 46 acres outside Lake Placid, NY 1/2 mile drive way so I
had an SUV with a plow at one time. An Izuzu Trooper 4 cylinder so I didn't drive around with the plow on. But, if someone can give me one good reason why
an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
I'm all ears. Until then, the majority of them I see are, stupid useless
vehicles bought probably for the 0% financing. IMHO.
What ever happened to 'Teach your chidren well?'
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>>What ever happened to 'Teach your chidren well?'
... thanks 2Man - straight to the point and right at the heart of it ...
I dont care so much about the gas being used by SUV's as I do about the Dolts that seem to be behind the wheel - for the most part (in the city, anyway) they seem to be scared of driving - want to be above the rest of traffic, feeling 'safe', protected in their cacoons ... and hence invincable and above the rules! I drove home this afternoon through a school zone and the congestion was a mess - because of SUV drivers - one was double parked in traffic, one was parked across a crosswalk (that students were supposed to be using ...) one was parked next to a fire plug ... all of them parked with the engines running ...
I also object to hypocrites - of any race colour or creed, who tell me to do something and turn around and do it themselves, people who tell me to stop using gas or stop wearing fur ( as if I could afford any ...) as they stand there in their petro-derived synthetic plastic clothing. EDUCATION is the key - in any cause, protesters should take a course to find out about that which they protest! If they are serious about a cause they should have to take a look at themselves first to determine if they can make the type of changes in their lives that the propose for others ... I don't think most would; but it is always eaisier to point at someone than at oneself.
I like to drive - I can't tell anyone else that they cannot; What I would like to be able to do is have everyone pull their fair share ... obey road etiquete, pay a fair share of road taxes (have you noticed how trucks beat the **** out of a road?!) don't demand to be in HOV lanes unless there are enough people in the vehicle ... little things like that ... People in all vehicles bend and break the rules - because of their size, SUV's have the most impact on the rest of us when they break them ... I don't like SUV's because their drivers are oblivious and insecure and that terrorizes everyone else around them on the road.
... thanks 2Man - straight to the point and right at the heart of it ...
I dont care so much about the gas being used by SUV's as I do about the Dolts that seem to be behind the wheel - for the most part (in the city, anyway) they seem to be scared of driving - want to be above the rest of traffic, feeling 'safe', protected in their cacoons ... and hence invincable and above the rules! I drove home this afternoon through a school zone and the congestion was a mess - because of SUV drivers - one was double parked in traffic, one was parked across a crosswalk (that students were supposed to be using ...) one was parked next to a fire plug ... all of them parked with the engines running ...
I also object to hypocrites - of any race colour or creed, who tell me to do something and turn around and do it themselves, people who tell me to stop using gas or stop wearing fur ( as if I could afford any ...) as they stand there in their petro-derived synthetic plastic clothing. EDUCATION is the key - in any cause, protesters should take a course to find out about that which they protest! If they are serious about a cause they should have to take a look at themselves first to determine if they can make the type of changes in their lives that the propose for others ... I don't think most would; but it is always eaisier to point at someone than at oneself.
I like to drive - I can't tell anyone else that they cannot; What I would like to be able to do is have everyone pull their fair share ... obey road etiquete, pay a fair share of road taxes (have you noticed how trucks beat the **** out of a road?!) don't demand to be in HOV lanes unless there are enough people in the vehicle ... little things like that ... People in all vehicles bend and break the rules - because of their size, SUV's have the most impact on the rest of us when they break them ... I don't like SUV's because their drivers are oblivious and insecure and that terrorizes everyone else around them on the road.
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But, if someone can give me one good reason why
>>an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
>>I'm all ears.
The reason is simple: Because. Beyond that is NONE of your business.
Why should anyone be compelled to explain their circumstances or reasons to you? Who are you to decide if someone has good reason? Or do you want everybody to get YOUR permission before taking to the road? Talk about intolerance and self-rightousness!
>>an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
>>I'm all ears.
The reason is simple: Because. Beyond that is NONE of your business.
Why should anyone be compelled to explain their circumstances or reasons to you? Who are you to decide if someone has good reason? Or do you want everybody to get YOUR permission before taking to the road? Talk about intolerance and self-rightousness!
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>>But, if someone can give me one good reason why
>>>>an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
>>>>I'm all ears.
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>>The reason is simple: Because. Beyond that is NONE of your business.
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>>Why should anyone be compelled to explain their circumstances or reasons to you? Who are you to decide if someone has good reason? Or do you want everybody to get YOUR permission before taking to the road? Talk about intolerance and self-rightousness!
AMEN! This is America! Welcome to the party pals! We don't have to explain ourselves. That's what freedom is all about!
SUV backlash. Think about it. Everytime you make a purchase you have used oil or petroleum products. Oil got those products to wherever you purchased it. It doesn't matter that you only drive a small car. A big rig truck got it there.
Name calling and one sided thinking will never accomplish anything.
If you really want to argue: Why don't we argue about the fact that when you go to a tour at JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) they give you a big speech on how we all need to cut our consumpsion of oil and be more"green" firendly in our behaviors. Beause all us little guys make so much pollution and contribute so much to bad stuff to our environment. However when I asked them how many cars it took to produce the kind of pollution rendered on just one rocket launch, they said over 1 million. I think we need to stop rocket launches until they can figure out a better way. Thanks, but I've done my part!
>>>>an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
>>>>I'm all ears.
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>>The reason is simple: Because. Beyond that is NONE of your business.
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>>Why should anyone be compelled to explain their circumstances or reasons to you? Who are you to decide if someone has good reason? Or do you want everybody to get YOUR permission before taking to the road? Talk about intolerance and self-rightousness!
AMEN! This is America! Welcome to the party pals! We don't have to explain ourselves. That's what freedom is all about! SUV backlash. Think about it. Everytime you make a purchase you have used oil or petroleum products. Oil got those products to wherever you purchased it. It doesn't matter that you only drive a small car. A big rig truck got it there.
Name calling and one sided thinking will never accomplish anything.
If you really want to argue: Why don't we argue about the fact that when you go to a tour at JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) they give you a big speech on how we all need to cut our consumpsion of oil and be more"green" firendly in our behaviors. Beause all us little guys make so much pollution and contribute so much to bad stuff to our environment. However when I asked them how many cars it took to produce the kind of pollution rendered on just one rocket launch, they said over 1 million. I think we need to stop rocket launches until they can figure out a better way. Thanks, but I've done my part!
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>>>>But, if someone can give me one good reason why
>>>>>>an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
>>>>>>I'm all ears.
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>>>>The reason is simple: Because. Beyond that is NONE of your business.
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>>>>Why should anyone be compelled to explain their circumstances or reasons to you? Who are you to decide if someone has good reason? Or do you want everybody to get YOUR permission before taking to the road? Talk about intolerance and self-rightousness!
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>>8) AMEN! This is America! Welcome to the party pals! We don't have to explain ourselves. That's what freedom is all about!
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Double AMEN! Who is asking "give me one good reason for buying an SUV?" Hey, give me one good reason for buying any car? or anything else. Shouldn't we all live like Quakers ? you know to prove we are Americans? How about Plastic - lets talk what makes everything we own that is plastic - yes, oil makes plastic. So no more feeding tubes in the hospital! right? give me a break!
So I'm pumping gas in my Honda and next to me is a lady pumping gas into her SUV. We are both contributing to terrorism, but I'm just a little less contributing than she is? Oh, but I own a Dell computer and she doesn't... does that level the playing field for her? or do we just judge people for their cars and not everything else they own or do?
Think of Christmas ! 50% of what we buy is made in China. So Christmas is now contributing to communisn! What a line of thinking this is!
>>>>>>an SUV is needed to pick up one child, after school in Florida...fill me in.
>>>>>>I'm all ears.
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>>>>The reason is simple: Because. Beyond that is NONE of your business.
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>>>>Why should anyone be compelled to explain their circumstances or reasons to you? Who are you to decide if someone has good reason? Or do you want everybody to get YOUR permission before taking to the road? Talk about intolerance and self-rightousness!
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>>8) AMEN! This is America! Welcome to the party pals! We don't have to explain ourselves. That's what freedom is all about!
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Double AMEN! Who is asking "give me one good reason for buying an SUV?" Hey, give me one good reason for buying any car? or anything else. Shouldn't we all live like Quakers ? you know to prove we are Americans? How about Plastic - lets talk what makes everything we own that is plastic - yes, oil makes plastic. So no more feeding tubes in the hospital! right? give me a break!
So I'm pumping gas in my Honda and next to me is a lady pumping gas into her SUV. We are both contributing to terrorism, but I'm just a little less contributing than she is? Oh, but I own a Dell computer and she doesn't... does that level the playing field for her? or do we just judge people for their cars and not everything else they own or do?
Think of Christmas ! 50% of what we buy is made in China. So Christmas is now contributing to communisn! What a line of thinking this is!
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Lets not have mini brains as well as Mini cars. The whole premise of this argument is that the war with Iraq is about oil. First of all you have to buy into this left wing, fringe argument even to get to the point of believing that SUV's are to blame. Once again it is the anti-American liberal activists who are fanning the flames of this non-controversy. Why do so many of them hate America and run to the aid of murderous, brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein?
Lets all get real and speak with one common, unified American voice to the rest of the world. I believe in our President and I believe in America. Most of all I support our troops whereer they may go to once again, help save the world.
Lets all get real and speak with one common, unified American voice to the rest of the world. I believe in our President and I believe in America. Most of all I support our troops whereer they may go to once again, help save the world.
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>>Lets not have mini brains as well as Mini cars. The whole premise of this argument is that the war with Iraq is about oil. First of all you have to buy into this left wing, fringe argument even to get to the point of believing that SUV's are to blame. Once again it is the anti-American liberal activists who are fanning the flames of this non-controversy. Why do so many of them hate America and run to the aid of murderous, brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein?
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>>Lets all get real and speak with one common, unified American voice to the rest of the world. I believe in our President and I believe in America. Most of all I support our troops whereer they may go to once again, help save the world.
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I love the way you talk!
Words flowing like water!
Motor On, kind American!
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>>Lets all get real and speak with one common, unified American voice to the rest of the world. I believe in our President and I believe in America. Most of all I support our troops whereer they may go to once again, help save the world.
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I love the way you talk!
Words flowing like water!
Motor On, kind American!
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From: Sioux Falls, SD
Getting back to the topic on SUVs, the real reason you see a lot of these (not always the case) is that the IRS lets a small business owner deduct up to 24,000 dollars on their tax return if they own a vehicle over 6000 pounds. I did not go for this just because I don't need the SUV and don't like to use any more fuel than I have to. Unfortunately the vehicle I do need is a van and weighs just under that! But I can't load 55 gallon drums in a SUV easily..
Even though I am right wing, I am in 100% support of public transportation. After circling the globe, I know it works! Dallas and Ft. Worth is fianally getting with the train game. I just wish it went closer to our office. Has anybode been to Sydney? A dollar will get you anywhere. Even Russian cities have great rail systems (A little noisey and bumpy though).
I recommend AMTRACK any time you have an extra day to travel. It's fun and makes for a adventure by itself..
The sad thing is the minute we go purely on LP, or fuel cells, China will be using 20 times the petrol we have ever used with a fraction of the pollution control. The answer to the solution is to consume all the oil completely forcing everyone to comply with the next gen of fuels unless the alternate energy source cost less then the 3rd world countries can follow. Well, let's just say a good S. Babtist friend tells me, "We wont have to worry about that though."
Even though I am right wing, I am in 100% support of public transportation. After circling the globe, I know it works! Dallas and Ft. Worth is fianally getting with the train game. I just wish it went closer to our office. Has anybode been to Sydney? A dollar will get you anywhere. Even Russian cities have great rail systems (A little noisey and bumpy though).
I recommend AMTRACK any time you have an extra day to travel. It's fun and makes for a adventure by itself..
The sad thing is the minute we go purely on LP, or fuel cells, China will be using 20 times the petrol we have ever used with a fraction of the pollution control. The answer to the solution is to consume all the oil completely forcing everyone to comply with the next gen of fuels unless the alternate energy source cost less then the 3rd world countries can follow. Well, let's just say a good S. Babtist friend tells me, "We wont have to worry about that though."