R50/53 is LSD > ASC > DSC?
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
Originally Posted by Tarzan
Thanks for the follow-up reply. Whom were the sources of this correct information? You might consider forwarding your findings to Claude Bruni so that he may better educate himself and others.
The other was with the help of Mark to his sources at MINIUSA, he made several inquires. He did not disclose his source but he felt that reasonable effort was made to find the answer.
I will contact Motormouth to pass along the follow up to Claude Bruni.
2nd Gear
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From: Tempe, AZ
This is true, in fact interesting cause I was just readin up on this in the manual earlier today. According to the manual DSC contain the functions ASC,ABS,CBC,EBD.. so with DSC off you other fuctions are either very limited or off althogether. Pg 60 of '04 manual.
Originally Posted by Thameth
Sorry but that still isn't correct. A fellow autocrosser buddy of mine used to have an 02 MCS with DSC. When he turned off DSC it also turned off ASC as he could easilly spin the front tires with no problem when leaving the line for his runs. Turning off DSC will turn off ALL traction control.
My 04' MCS and 05' MCS don't have DSC so i have an ASC switch i can turn on and off.
The LSD is a mechanical part inside your transmission that will send power to the wheel with the most traction during cornering or acceleration. So when your accelerating out of a corner and you don't have LSD you will usually "light up" or spin the inside tire, wasting energy and loosing time. An LSD will send all the power to the outside wheel and pull you out of the corner.
My 04' MCS and 05' MCS don't have DSC so i have an ASC switch i can turn on and off.
The LSD is a mechanical part inside your transmission that will send power to the wheel with the most traction during cornering or acceleration. So when your accelerating out of a corner and you don't have LSD you will usually "light up" or spin the inside tire, wasting energy and loosing time. An LSD will send all the power to the outside wheel and pull you out of the corner.
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From: Charlotte, NC
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Originally Posted by Elkerster
This is true, in fact interesting cause I was just readin up on this in the manual earlier today. According to the manual DSC contain the functions ASC,ABS,CBC,EBD.. so with DSC off you other fuctions are either very limited or off althogether. Pg 60 of '04 manual.
The toggle switch will turn on or turn off TRACTION CONTROL (either ASC+T or DSC), but your anti-lock brakes (and those sub-functions of ABS) will always be on, forever, and ever. Toggle until your fingers fall off your hands and you stomp them into your carpet, but you will NEVER EVER be able to toggle off Anti-Lock Brakes, Corner Brake Control, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, or Engine Drag Torque Control.
You can not 'partially' disable your ASC/DSC (as equipped). Those functions will be toggled COMPLETELY ON or COMPLETELY OFF.
Too many people are confused by all the acronyms, and the fact that the module that controls traction control ALSO incorporates the functions of braking, which on MINI's is four-channel ABS standard with CBC, EBD, and MSR.
If the acronyms are getting confusing:
CBC--Corner Braking Control
EBD--Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (*sometimes called EBV)
MSR--Engine Drag Torque Control
5th Gear
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From: Miami, Fl
Originally Posted by Tarzan
Once more, CBC, EBD, and MSR are all braking functions--not traction control functions. They are incorporated in ABS (Anti-Lock Brakes). ABS, and it's sub-functions are NEVER turned off. Nothing can disable ABS or its functions.
The toggle switch will turn on or turn off TRACTION CONTROL (either ASC+T or DSC), but your anti-lock brakes (and those sub-functions of ABS) will always be on, forever, and ever. Toggle until your fingers fall off your hands and you stomp them into your carpet, but you will NEVER EVER be able to toggle off Anti-Lock Brakes, Corner Brake Control, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, or Engine Drage Torque Control.
You can not 'partially' disable your ASC/DSC (as equipped). Those functions will be toggled COMPLETELY ON or COMPLETELY OFF.
Too many people are confused by all the acronyms, and the fact that the module that controls traction control ALSO incorporates the functions of braking, which on MINI's is four-channel ABS standard with CBC, EBD, and MSR.
If the acronyms are getting confusing:
CBC--Corner Braking Control
EBD--Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (*sometimes called EBV)
MSR--Engine Drag Torque Control
The toggle switch will turn on or turn off TRACTION CONTROL (either ASC+T or DSC), but your anti-lock brakes (and those sub-functions of ABS) will always be on, forever, and ever. Toggle until your fingers fall off your hands and you stomp them into your carpet, but you will NEVER EVER be able to toggle off Anti-Lock Brakes, Corner Brake Control, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution, or Engine Drage Torque Control.
You can not 'partially' disable your ASC/DSC (as equipped). Those functions will be toggled COMPLETELY ON or COMPLETELY OFF.
Too many people are confused by all the acronyms, and the fact that the module that controls traction control ALSO incorporates the functions of braking, which on MINI's is four-channel ABS standard with CBC, EBD, and MSR.
If the acronyms are getting confusing:
CBC--Corner Braking Control
EBD--Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (*sometimes called EBV)
MSR--Engine Drag Torque Control
^^^^ That is completely TRUE! ^^^ Good work explaining it.
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