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Mar 31, 2005 | 10:13 PM

#126

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Ive been looking at GT #'s rather than Cobra #'s. I guess if you're saying you cant rationalize paying 30K for an EVO, I cant rationalize paying 30K for a Mustang, or GTO...no matter the performance...I know the cheap quality, and poor engineering of American cars, and there isnt much that could convince me to buy one. After working on both, and knowing some of the engineering students that got jobs with GM "because [their] dad works there" I can't put any faith in them. *shrug* to each his own.

Mar 31, 2005 | 10:34 PM

#127

Tüls

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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs

On the track, you can mod an 5 year old Mustang, and the HP kicks *** over the Mini on a road corse. I know, I've been passed by them! So talk crap about the American car...

you can mod a mini now as we all know to do just fine and leave a mustang in the dust...so now the mustang STILL handles less than great EVEN MODDED.....and not it is being left down the straight...

now we are talking track cars...not drag cars...cause yeah you can make a mustang 800 hp but it wouldn't do well as a track car...not a streetable mustang anyway....

mustangs are fun...for straight lines and donuts...but you cannot ever say that american muscle is good for anything else....I'm sorry...yes you can race them and it's fun...but serously...look at the roads we have here in the us...MOST of them are very straight....the coasts and MTs are the only place where it is very curvy...

and where are the proving grounds...places like AZ....I mean honestly...mean while Euro cars are being tested on the Nurburgring...

come on ...I am not saying you can't mod a mustang to be a fun road car..but if you put the same $$ in to a mini you couldn't touch it...heck my 188 WHP (215 hp ) Mini has left a few N/A mustangs...and a 205 WHP Mini is faster than a cobra...I know cause I have been in the car when the cobra was raced...and oh yeah I weight 230...so imagine if I wasn't in the car...

the point is none of them are better than the other...they are designed for different things....

I love cars...

hell I love bikes too...but I am not going to take a harley to the road race...heh he.....

Mar 31, 2005 | 11:23 PM

#128

bdmini

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Great thread. The only guy I know w/ an EVO is a 19 year old w/ a heavy right foot and friends that egg him on. In less than 18K miles the clutch has been replaced TWO TIMES!!! We just replaced the rear pads as well after they just started scoring the rotors. I've heard they have power strg. pump issues too, but I agree w/ most that when you get a chance to drive it, it feels way more serious than the Mini. Two totally different cars whose intended purposes seem to be polar opposites. Both fun, but in different ways.
Never could get real comfortable w/ the clutch on the takeoff in the EVO.
By the way, it's in the body shop after a run in w/ an 18 wheeler.

Later

Mar 31, 2005 | 11:30 PM

#129

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Originally Posted by RR|Suki

lol you're a joker if you think an evo has an interior woth even comenting on... and the leather in the evo... and now your talking looks of the gto... I thought you were talking the speed? of how it's a 30k car that is so great for it's class... there are a ton of cars in the price range, evos are weak I can tell you that first hand unless you wanna pour money into it, hell people with evos will even admit that, STi to me is an even better choice and that theng feels like you are sitting on bricks... you owned a mustang for 10 years.. what does that have to do with the new stang? I have a 74' mini what does that have to do with the new mini? nothing... and lol @ you maybe they make evos cheaper in jamaica... do you even understand how slow a US spec evo is compared to the evos you get else where, and the evos I raced were rally spec so they didn't even have interiors buddy of mine raced his street evo IV which he would swap the guts in... that thing is EXACTLY like the VIII inside and it's a IV >_> evo isn't worth 30k not the US spec one no way no how not as an only car... cuz then you can't even drive it into the ground... it's not worth the 30k I'm sorry and so what if you don't notice the gto meet one at the line and stock for stock the gto will have the evo everytime, pick an argument speed or looks... heck honestly STi owns the EVO (us spec anyway) cuz it's better at what they are both good at and that's AWD... so you need to pick why the evo is worth 30k... nice car as I said I've driven everyone of them since the III not worth 30k unless money is no object. My list GTO 30k, stang 33K, gt500 ~ 33-35k, C6 40k..kinda pushin the price range, elise is something like 40k too... noble 35k. 2.2 turn or whatever an evo has... ok and... maybe I'm jadded cuz I've been driving race cars since I was 14 but if I want a race car I'll get a race car, but if I want a street car with race attitude I'll get something that is livable inside... as my fiance said when she sat in the EVO... "this sucks... what are you paying 30k for" if you can't feel where the money is going is it worth it? cuz when you step on thegas it's all the same

I am sorry but your post is so hard to read I had to skip most of it. Try using paragraphs instead.

Mar 31, 2005 | 11:42 PM

#130

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Originally Posted by RR|Suki

psst neither have gas guzzler tax in manual, did you not see the comparo with the sti... apparently not... have you seen a 5+ year old evo in good shape... and if you think a stock wrx can keep up with a new mustang gt you have issues... you do realize it runs a faster 60 and 100 than an evo or sti... granted it depends on driver and I'm talking street driving... freeway where ever you wanna go toe to toe not gonna happen wrxs are slow very slow I drove that car way too much (a 2003) very disapointing I dunno what world you're livin in... did you see the sti cobra comparo on the track where the sti came out on top by only tenths? and as far as interior the looks aren't there that's for sure but it's def more comfortable both the EVO and the STI have 0 comfort... I am 6' tall and I race a 74 cooper, and a cbr 600RR I'm not bothered by discomfort but if I'm payin 30k I want something for it. EVOs and STis both good cars I'd take either 1 but I have better things to spend my money on same reason I'm not gettin a MCSC I couldn't rationalize it, I'll pay 24k for a MCS... road car and race car just aren't analagous... I guess if you are new to the whole race scene or somethin I dunno, my racing life is just old I guess and when I'm racing I don't care what it feels like heck I like when I feel light I'm the car on the asphalt no comfort a million degrees in the cabin hot *** helmet gets the blood rushing... but on the drive home... for my 24k I'm buying a mini and if I decide I wanna fork out 30k I'd get a gto or something... my race car is my race car and my street car is my street car... oh and have you compared the insurance... wow @ the STi and the EVO... kids these days crashin those cars like theres no tomorrow quoted 2x what I'd pay for the gto or the mini...

Again, please learn how to use paragraphs when writing posts. It all looks like one long run on sentence. I did read the question on a five year EVO it makes no sense at all. The EVO 8 has only been in the U.S. since 2003. Maybe, you can ask that question in 2007. I see plenty of 2003 Evos on the road and looking just like they came off the showroom. Oh, and I caught the part about insurance. For me, it's $200 more then our MCS for six months. In fact, a 996 costs the same to insure as the Evo. But ymmv because of your driving record, etc.

BTW, quit discussing the GTO. This is the GTO that every one knows not that car from down under retrofitted with a big motor.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...tiac-gto.shtml

Mar 31, 2005 | 11:55 PM

#131

meanboy

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Originally Posted by bdmini

Later

You're in the eb so you can make it out to Oak Col sometime to meet some of the Evo guys. Some of these guys can really drive their Evos.

Results from 3/20..not many guys showed up 3/27

http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results...ip/round3.html

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Apr 1, 2005 | 12:10 AM

#132

meanboy

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SCCA solo II results so far for 2005

Only this region

A stock

http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results...onship/as.html

ESP

http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results...nship/esp.html

Real results in an organized sanctioned setting. Evo has some pretty stiff competition.

Apr 1, 2005 | 12:21 AM

#133

meanboy

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Originally Posted by Tuls

In the first 2005 Grand AM Cup race the Mustangs finish 1-2 beating out cars like the BMW M3 and the Porshce 996/997. This is the same series that team Nuzzo races their MINI in. Different classes but the same race. So as track cars Mustangs do okay.

http://www.grand-am.com/Events/Sessi...?SessionID=440

http://mustang50magazine.com/eventco...2w_gt_daytona/

Apr 1, 2005 | 06:04 AM

#134

camelpilot

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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini

you must really be excited about it....

could we post these much faster? they lose all intended purposes after about an hr....

LOL

For a minute I was like, WTF, this post wasnt here before, I swear it. But now I know whats going on, it's called Hide the El, compliments of the mods.

I've been there.

Apr 1, 2005 | 07:54 AM

#135

RR|Suki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meanboy

I am sorry but your post is so hard to read I had to skip most of it. Try using paragraphs instead.

lol learn what a paragraph is, how bout that... a paragraph is an idea no two paragraphs should be the same thought/idea IE if you are talking about the same thing it remains in the same paragraph... maybe you should learn to read

you just have nothing better to say cuz you really don't know anything, I'm done with you junior mint

P.S if the new gto isn't a gto then the new mini isn't a mini... why would you even make such a silly statement... it's their car what they wanna make it is what they make it, what ever name is on it is it's name weather you think so or not, too bad for you. It's a gto and for 30k it's alot of car cry about it. Maybe drive some cars before you take peoples opinion on them... I suppose S4s are sweet too huh and the GTI is killer... kids these days and their magazines. Get your own experiences

[read: notice the paragraph at the start of the new topic...not a new subject

]

Apr 1, 2005 | 09:32 AM

#136

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Originally Posted by RR|Suki

... I suppose S4s are sweet too huh and the GTI is killer...

Uhh...S4's are sweet.

And the new GTI, well, by all accounts it just might be killer. We'll know soon enough.

Apr 1, 2005 | 09:38 AM

#137

meanboy

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Originally Posted by RR|Suki

you just have nothing better to say cuz you really don't know anything, I'm done with you junior mint

[read: notice the paragraph at the start of the new topic...not a new subject

]

You certainly were writing about topics within the main topic. If you are talking about a GTO then write about the GTO versus xyz and move on to the next car..IE EVO versus STi. And break it down using paragraphs. Unless that's your idea of a topic..run on sentences. As your junior high school teacher just told you, rewrite the paper and I will reread your paper and redo your grade.

Experiences, I am sure I have a lot more then you do..unless of course, racing cars in jamica is your idea of experiences.

Apr 1, 2005 | 09:41 AM

#138

meanboy

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Originally Posted by mattharris75

Uhh...S4's are sweet.

And the new GTI, well, by all accounts it just might be killer. We'll know soon enough.

Yeah, I am not sure where the OP is coming from..but then again, I don't really care.

But at least he/she wrote it so it's readable...finally.

Apr 1, 2005 | 10:47 AM

#139

RR|Suki

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GEDs are funny... the difference between topic and subject are lost to you. I see

subject is the topics within the topics you speak of, the topic is "the worth and comparison of the cars". A new topic would be switching to a whole new thing... here I'lll break it down... (topic) particle (subject) particle (verbs) and various construction. The whole thing is a single topic "the value of the different cars" the topic is cars in the 30k price range and until that is no longer beeing spoken about everything else is the subject... like say if I went on to talk about the cars individually or something that's a new topic cuz now the topic is GTO and not cars in 30k price range, or if I was gonna talk at lenght about a comparisson between two cars. But no it was a wide scope of a single topic beifly touched on. Oh and a run on sentence, is a sentence without commas (, comma) (... Ellipsis, and it's 3 dots not 2) if you notice I type with commas and wide use of ellipsis, hence no run on sentences... I can't wait for the "you can't start sentences with but" education dosn't end in HS. I'm here talkin about cars not attacking anyone this cat is arguing semantics with me... and tryin to dis my country... lol

Apr 1, 2005 | 10:55 AM

#140

Tüls

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Originally Posted by meanboy

Again those Minis are not moded like we now know is possible A and 2 is it even allowed with in the rules?

Also I made a point to say I was talkin about STREETABLE cars....if we are talkin about track cars...UMM yeah I'll take an M3 ....although now with the current HP we can get from the Minis...I think it will rival an M due to lighter and more nimble...but then again still FWD...hmmn...I need moeny for testing...ANYONE?

May 6, 2006 | 06:44 PM

#141

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New to the board - owned (and autocrossed/HPDE) 03 base EVO and 06 MR (currently stock), and just won a base MINI in a give away. Here's my 3 cents...

The original question was about handling on the street. The EVO is boring at street legal speeds. The MINI is likely to be more fun at more sensible speeds. On the other hand, the EVO's got much more power and better brakes which expands your options on the street.

Both are heavily weight biased to the front, which means that managing front tire traction is the key to having fun in any arena.

The shock package on the MR is a great compromise giving a decent ride while still having very good performance.

The later EVOs are much improved. The intelligent AWD (ACD) makes it even easier to drive fast. The power band is more usable, both down low and up high. The added front diff makes it easier to dig out of tight turns.

I do well locally at autox, and run frequently against a national level MINI in HS driver. On a long and narrow mostly slaloms course, he will be only a couple of seconds back on a 50 second course, and will beat me on pax. On a course that lets me use a little more power, it'll be more like 3-4 seconds delta with a more even pax.

I also run at Watkins Glen with the BMW club that includes a few MINIs. Even the base model guys can be quite competitive in the corners. But the power, brakes, and wider rubber on the EVO overmatch the MINI.

From what I've read on the MINI, the EVO has a better range of alignment options.

The EVO feels smaller than it is when driven aggressively.

Both are fun cars - but the EVO's ultimately got more in reserve when needed.

May 6, 2006 | 10:13 PM

#142

DownSize

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wow, this is quite odd. I was just visiting my former forum and they have a Subie vs. MINI debate going on.

anyway, i havent read through all the pages but would just like to say that both are equally capable. but performing better than a 300 (est) horsepower, all-wheel drive turbo car is pretty difficult. but I would much rather drive my MINI.