If I thought it was a BMW I would have never bought it. But it is what it is, and I've have the rack and pinion replaced and the steering column replaced and my heated seats stopped working...all in less then 5k miles. So maybe, it is a BMW afterall.

 

hehehe, no, i have hard on only for Camel and SKO.

Well, I guess I'm not the average person, and dont need to feel good about a 4 door japanese family sedan that lets me perform motor feats that I probably wouldn't get to do, as an "average" person.

Dude, if you want to beat cars more expensive that your own, get a Z06.

If you want to haul people, buy a cab.

 

gto is 30k mustang is 30k noble is 35k and on and on and all those cars will eat an evo... and I am talking roads here not track, and when it comes to road I'm sorry but even the mustang has better interior than the evo... go sit in the gto it's faster and the interior is wonderful and still 30k which is still a bit much, mustang gt 26k hell the new gt500 will prob be 35k... so in reality I don't think 30k is a great deal on an evo it's a good deal on a good track car not a good deal on something that can double well as a daily driver not in the 30k class where there are faster street cars with much better feel inside.. I have nothing against evos I used to race em in jamaica but the reality of the thing is that when I came up here I sat and thought about it... do I want an evo as my ONLY car... *shiver*

 

Here's the deal with the EVO. If you buy it new and respect it it will be a fantastic and incredibly fun car.

If you buy it used or if you don't respect it, you're going to have a very bad experience.

The MINI and the EVO are two opposing viewpoints on the right way to spend around $30k. We all paid a chunk of money for a big center-mounted speedo (chrono and nav people excluded) a clever marketing campaign, and a great chassis.

The EVO guys all paid a big chunk of money for a great engine, a very sound chassis, and very sporty seats. They didn't get much else.

I've heard complaints about the paint on the EVO and I've heard complaints about the windshields on MINIs, so they've both got issues with production quality.

If you bought the MINI over the EVO for style, you made the right choice. If you bought it for speed, thennnn I dunno. Personally, if I'd had the extra 7 grand to pay out for the EVO I would have snagged it. In Black.

And it's totally unfair to compare it to the Z06 - that car costs double the EVO when it's new. But the Z06 is FRIGGIN SWEET. Especially that C6 monster robot

 

Camelpilot,

now, you're just being silly... Wait, you were being silly for a while now.

 

If you can find me a noble for 35k I will be more than happy to take it off your hands!!! That car costs $75k including drivetrain here in America

The GTO has a horrible seating position. The lowest setting is still higher than the highest in the MINI, which makes you feel like you're driving an SUV. It's also got no style. I like the car, but it's just not a sports car.

The Mustang is great, but I don't think it would keep up with the EVO in most cases. The EVO's all wheel drive gives it a huge advantage stoplight to stoplight if you're willing to destroy your clutch

If you guys want to see something interesting go onto that EvolutionR whateveritscalled forum and see how many guys have their original clutch

 

Sorry, I've owned a mustang for ten years I won't buy another one. I feel the same way about the new one. GTO? who really buys those things? And why? It has no looks whatsoever. It might as well be a grand prix. wider is better. I've never seen one or at least never noticed one. 400 hp? So what..the CTS-V has that and I would rather have that. It has four doors and can do a lot more. And Pontiac and Buick are the most neglected divisions at GM.

Mustang? It has a super cheap interior too..rivals the EVO but the EVO has way better seats unless you have a fat **** and then it's too tight. And maybe they make em cheaper over in jamica cause here you can get the EVO with leather in the U.S. And the Mustang will depreciate fast too.

Since you use to race them then you know that the steering is ultra quick..2.2 turns lock to lock. Is that not feel to you?

EVO as the only car? You betcha.

 

LOL you all are crazy...you realize we have started including american muscle cuase into a conversation about cars with handling....LOL....I mean...LOL....


Mustang! Mustang...all I can say is LEAF SPRINGS!!!! you have got to be kidding me...2005...leaf springs...LOL

this thread is great!

and so are you guys!

 

lol you're a joker if you think an evo has an interior woth even comenting on... and the leather in the evo... and now your talking looks of the gto... I thought you were talking the speed? of how it's a 30k car that is so great for it's class... there are a ton of cars in the price range, evos are weak I can tell you that first hand unless you wanna pour money into it, hell people with evos will even admit that, STi to me is an even better choice and that theng feels like you are sitting on bricks... you owned a mustang for 10 years.. what does that have to do with the new stang? I have a 74' mini what does that have to do with the new mini? nothing... and lol @ you maybe they make evos cheaper in jamaica... do you even understand how slow a US spec evo is compared to the evos you get else where, and the evos I raced were rally spec so they didn't even have interiors buddy of mine raced his street evo IV which he would swap the guts in... that thing is EXACTLY like the VIII inside and it's a IV >_> evo isn't worth 30k not the US spec one no way no how not as an only car... cuz then you can't even drive it into the ground... it's not worth the 30k I'm sorry and so what if you don't notice the gto meet one at the line and stock for stock the gto will have the evo everytime, pick an argument speed or looks... heck honestly STi owns the EVO (us spec anyway) cuz it's better at what they are both good at and that's AWD... so you need to pick why the evo is worth 30k... nice car as I said I've driven everyone of them since the III not worth 30k unless money is no object. My list GTO 30k, stang 33K, gt500 ~ 33-35k, C6 40k..kinda pushin the price range, elise is something like 40k too... noble 35k. 2.2 turn or whatever an evo has... ok and... maybe I'm jadded cuz I've been driving race cars since I was 14 but if I want a race car I'll get a race car, but if I want a street car with race attitude I'll get something that is livable inside... as my fiance said when she sat in the EVO... "this sucks... what are you paying 30k for" if you can't feel where the money is going is it worth it? cuz when you step on thegas it's all the same

 

Tulsy... I didnt think American Muscle cars could "handle" either, until I saw the Z06.

After that, it was respect respect respect.

The EVO, on the other hand... why am I calling it an EVO, it's a goddamn lancer. The Lancer, on the other hand, gives me the urge to do a slow jerking motion with my hand.

 

you must really be excited about it....


could we post these much faster? they lose all intended purposes after about an hr....

 

You're right. The POS aint worth 30k. It's worth 14,995. Oh wait, thats what they sell them for without the extra letters.

 

I'll agree with that...in the sence that for an ehmerican muscle car it handles....I got to do some laps in a friends supercharged z06...it's still wierd...to me...something about sitting so far back...it's a huge car...or feets huge to me..still pigish to me...but for ehmerican it handles

but i was spoiled at a young age by some high end euros...

 

Yeah it is a BMW and built in Oxford we are doomed. In fact since I have owned nothing but Toyotas, I was(am) worried about reliability. But then I went on a test drive and decided it did not matter.:smile:

 

LOL here here!!!

 

I think we should all agree to disagree

There are some people here who obviously don't know their **** from their elbow as far as the Evo is concerned or are seriosly deluded (RR/Suki....take some qualudes or something man.....nobody in their right mind buys an Evo to go drag- or stoplight-racing).

Anyway, this is a MINI forum and I didn't start the thread anyway, did I

 

I think we should all agree to agree... like so:

"The Mitsubishi EVO is a POS"

or

"The EVO is the best japanese 4-door family sedan since the Datsun Sunny"

or

"AWD and Turbo can turn any heap into a meep meep"

or

"Add $20,000 to a $10,000 dollar car and what do u get? ... An EVO"

or

"How do you say small ***** in Japanese? ... EVO"

or

"WHat do you get when you take carbon fibre of an EVO? .... A Lancer."

or

"What do you call an STI with panties?... An EVO"

or

"EVO who???? "

or

"What does an EVO owner call Vinyl?..... Leather"

or

"Why did the EVO cross the road? .... Because it lost control"

or

"What did the CHP say to the EVO driver? ..... I hate EVOs"

or

"What did the EVO driver say back? ..... I have a small *****"

 

I may be new to the board but I thought this was about the differences of the mini vs. the evo. Not about body part sizes. Why the anger towards the Evo?

 

There is no reason, it just is. :smile:
Really some people get worked up. Even me about cars.
Don't worry about it. This Thread is so off topic it really doesn't really matter.

Oh here is something on topic, I like my MINI way more than any EVO, don't care how fast they go!:smile::smile:

 

When looking at the Mustang, the GTO, and the EVO. I think of a couple things right off the bat as the major differences between the 3.

1. Braking distances.
2. Handling.
3. Reliability.
4. AWD vs. RWD

GM, and Ford both have HORRIBLE records when it comes to the longevity of their cars, both in chassis, and engine. The GTO is basically Australian Holden Monaro...for the most part a 1998 design with a few tweaks, and a new engine...Ill pass.

The new mustang isn't that fast. A stock WRX woulnt have trouble keeping up with it, and I think pulls a higher G on the skidpad...the interior is on par with the EVo's (horrible), and I see very few mustangs 5+ years old that are in good shape.

Both the Mustang and the GTO have gas guzzler taxes attached to them, and shorter warranties.

The thing that matters most up here where is snows though is the AWD. I dont think there is much competition between those three to start with, but add snow into the mix and the competition is over.

 

Anger?? no no no, this is called humour. That POS makes me laugh every time I see it.

As for body part sizes, there is nothing wrong with small, someone just needs to tell the EVO owners that.

 

because the enthusiast Mustangers wanted them too. It's because you can add a torque arm and a pahnard bar (new one has the panhard) and really handle. If you want more, go to Griggs or Maximum Motorsports, and you can really stick. Sure my 65 doesn't handle like the Mini, but the Mini doesn't accelerate like the Mustang. On the track, you can mod an 5 year old Mustang, and the HP kicks *** over the Mini on a road corse. I know, I've been passed by them! So talk crap about the American car... But will this Mini be around in 40 years? Don't think so.....

The driver to not have the IRS on the stock mustangs was that Ford isn't very good an making them light (unless you get a Ford GT, not the Mustang), most owners (read Hertz 6 cylinder cars) would never know the difference. And the performance crowd throws the IRS away, even from the Cobras from the 90s to early 2000s. So why waste the money and increase the car price? If you want a Ford IRS for cheap, call Griggs or MM, they have PILES of them. The 8.8" live axel with a good suspension geomitry eats the stock IRS for lunch every day. The IRS is heavy, expensive and compramized. Ford won't admit it, but look at all the Mustang Cobras on the track that just threw them away.

The Evo is interresting, but the US spec car really makes me much less interested in it. AWD is the future...... And any car you beat the snot out of will take a hit in time.

Sure some of the American car crowd has issues with quality, that's not the design, it's the company. I had a 92 Explorer Sport that only took $75 in parts over many years. But other had the same car that ate transmissions what seemed like weekly. You can't get cheeper power than an american V-8, but you sure can get cheeper stock handling....

Matt

 

Huh. Why's that?

 

wow, this is great. It's like a whole other post on page 5. It went from the Mini vs. The Evo, to American Cars vs. the Evo, and now its changing back and forth. Sorry I didn't mean to get so off topic and get so many people worked up. Maybe this bad boy should get vaulted, before it just gets completely off subject, or we could just keep changing the idea and say whatever we want. Oh well. 5 pages can change a lot, I think it's just a matter of preference not which is better, that should keep everyone happy.

 

psst neither have gas guzzler tax in manual, did you not see the comparo with the sti... apparently not... have you seen a 5+ year old evo in good shape... and if you think a stock wrx can keep up with a new mustang gt you have issues... you do realize it runs a faster 60 and 100 than an evo or sti... granted it depends on driver and I'm talking street driving... freeway where ever you wanna go toe to toe not gonna happen wrxs are slow very slow I drove that car way too much (a 2003) very disapointing I dunno what world you're livin in... did you see the sti cobra comparo on the track where the sti came out on top by only tenths? and as far as interior the looks aren't there that's for sure but it's def more comfortable both the EVO and the STI have 0 comfort... I am 6' tall and I race a 74 cooper, and a cbr 600RR I'm not bothered by discomfort but if I'm payin 30k I want something for it. EVOs and STis both good cars I'd take either 1 but I have better things to spend my money on same reason I'm not gettin a MCSC I couldn't rationalize it, I'll pay 24k for a MCS... road car and race car just aren't analagous... I guess if you are new to the whole race scene or somethin I dunno, my racing life is just old I guess and when I'm racing I don't care what it feels like heck I like when I feel light I'm the car on the asphalt no comfort a million degrees in the cabin hot *** helmet gets the blood rushing... but on the drive home... for my 24k I'm buying a mini and if I decide I wanna fork out 30k I'd get a gto or something... my race car is my race car and my street car is my street car... oh and have you compared the insurance... wow @ the STi and the EVO... kids these days crashin those cars like theres no tomorrow quoted 2x what I'd pay for the gto or the mini...