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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 08:25 AM
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I need help educating our MA.

I asked our MA to send me a list of programable features that we can activate/deactivate. What I got was a list of four features.

#1 Daytime driving lights.
#2 Pathway lightning.
#3 Central/automatic locking.
#4 Selective central unlocking.
He claims these are the only features the dealer can access. Any other features can only be done at the factory.

I know many of you have had other features activated so I need some help. I tried various searches but came up empty. Can someone post a list of all available features? Or post what you have had done and I will compile a list for everyone to use.

One other claim our MA made was that they can no longer determine which boat our car is on.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 08:36 AM
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https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ht=programable
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 08:58 AM
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Awesome, thank you.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 09:03 AM
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Very welcome.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 09:07 AM
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I can email you an excel file with all the options in a spreadsheet format. Makes it easy to print out and highlight your preferences and hand it to the tech.
 

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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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There is an Excel SS on the referenced thread by TX51210 with the info
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MiniMe05
One other claim our MA made was that they can no longer determine which boat our car is on.
Assuming that your car is on a Wallenius Wilhelmsen boat:

Go to http://schedule.2wglobal.com/AppTracking/cargoTrack.do

Click on "Auto cargo". Enter the VIN, and click on Track. It will display the Ship, call sign, and tracking history. The VIN can be obtained from the Miniusa owner's lounge area.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nuvolari
Assuming that your car is on a Wallenius Wilhelmsen boat:

Go to http://schedule.2wglobal.com/AppTracking/cargoTrack.do

Click on "Auto cargo". Enter the VIN, and click on Track. It will display the Ship, call sign, and tracking history. The VIN can be obtained from the Miniusa owner's lounge area.
Must not be on that boat. My VIN had no information available. The boat was supposed to hit LA sometime between 2/12 & today 2/15. My MA is no help. He claims that Mini no longer gives them access to the shipping info. Seems that every other dealer in the country can get it except Ramussen.

I appreciate everyone's effort.

One more programming question. Is it possible to activate options not yet on the car? IE rear fog light. I have a rear fog light setup on order but plan to install it myself. Hoping to have the dealer program it to active so I don't have to go back later.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MiniMe05
Must not be on that boat. My VIN had no information available. The boat was supposed to hit LA sometime between 2/12 & today 2/15. My MA is no help. He claims that Mini no longer gives them access to the shipping info. Seems that every other dealer in the country can get it except Ramussen.

I appreciate everyone's effort.

One more programming question. Is it possible to activate options not yet on the car? IE rear fog light. I have a rear fog light setup on order but plan to install it myself. Hoping to have the dealer program it to active so I don't have to go back later.
I don' think that isn't really an "activatable" option. From what others have said, the '05's are pretty much all wired up but they need the lights and the toggle switch. You may seriously think about just paying the $100 for the factory rear fogs as getting a new toggle swich panel may cost you more than that.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MandaBoo
I don' think that isn't really an "activatable" option. From what others have said, the '05's are pretty much all wired up but they need the lights and the toggle switch. You may seriously think about just paying the $100 for the factory rear fogs as getting a new toggle swich panel may cost you more than that.
Actually it is an activatible option. The computer in the car needs to be programmed to know that the light is installed and the switch is there. If you just drop the switch in and wire the light nothing will happen.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:09 AM
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It appears that cars being shipped to Hueneme(?) may come on different carriers, and they don't apparently have a website to allow tracking of their cargo, so your MA is apparently correct: he can't help you.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...hlight=January
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MandaBoo
I don' think that isn't really an "activatable" option. From what others have said, the '05's are pretty much all wired up but they need the lights and the toggle switch. You may seriously think about just paying the $100 for the factory rear fogs as getting a new toggle swich panel may cost you more than that.
It does require activation, the parts are pretty cheap too. By mail ordering the parts it's cheaper than buying from my local dealer. Remember here in Oregon we can't get the factory rear fog as an option.

Switch panel: $63.50
Rear fog light: $16.15
Connector housing: $1.85
Terminal: $.25
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:30 AM
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MiniMe05: Could you educate our MA....that way he will know what is up when I pick up my car, hopefully next week.

Where did you order the rear fog light pieces?
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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When I picked up my used '04 I negotiated the full rack (loose), and for them to activate the rear fog (I did the rack install myself.) It took three tries, as they kept saying that it was not possible to do the programming before the switch was in the car.
They finally came around when I asked for the tech to explain to me how the car would know if there was an switch on the other side of the elastomeric pad... Even at that point they said that it could be done in an '04, but not an '05.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
When I picked up my used '04 I negotiated the full rack (loose), and for them to activate the rear fog (I did the rack install myself.) It took three tries, as they kept saying that it was not possible to do the programming before the switch was in the car.
They finally came around when I asked for the tech to explain to me how the car would know if there was an switch on the other side of the elastomeric pad... Even at that point they said that it could be done in an '04, but not an '05.
Without having looked at or dissasembled a toggle switch myself... Here's my theory: There has to be something in the toggle panel that leads to every physical switch that you see. If there's no switch there does that signal path exist? If that path doesn't exisit, or is normally sent off to a ground or something, could that cause a problem if the car thinks there is supposed to be a switch when in fact that switch isn't installed and therefore doesn't exist?

Again just a theory from somebody without an EE degree who hasn't dissasembled a toggle switch bank...
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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I've actually disassembled a few. When you do, you'll see a white elastomeric (soft plastic) pad. There are no physical connections. The toggles push on the pad to (I assume) close the contact for the switch, or at least tell the body computer to turn the switch on.

All the toggle racks (that I've seen) have 18 pins in the back - doesn't matter if they have ASC/DSC, or front or rear fogs.
I could reason that the DME does a 'system check' to make sure the circuit is there, but since there is nothing different 'plugged in' to complete the circuit, that doesn't fly. I'm no EE, but I follow logic quite well.

I'm pretty sure the MAs were just talking out of their ***. The only exception would be the EARLY '05 cars that didn't come with the WIRING for the rear fog. Even in that case, I can't see why you couldn't tell the computer to send power through the harness when the switch (that isn't there yet) closes the contact.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by OSU MCS
MiniMe05: Could you educate our MA....that way he will know what is up when I pick up my car, hopefully next week.

Where did you order the rear fog light pieces?
I sent "our" MA the Excel spread sheet from the link above. I you contact him about programing tell him to send you the options on the sheet or just send it to him. Shoot me an email regarding the rear fog parts. I don't want to violate any non-supporting vendor rules. If it's not an issue I am happy to post it here.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MiniMe05
Must not be on that boat. My VIN had no information available. The boat was supposed to hit LA sometime between 2/12 & today 2/15. My MA is no help. He claims that Mini no longer gives them access to the shipping info. Seems that every other dealer in the country can get it except Ramussen.

I appreciate everyone's effort.

One more programming question. Is it possible to activate options not yet on the car? IE rear fog light. I have a rear fog light setup on order but plan to install it myself. Hoping to have the dealer program it to active so I don't have to go back later.
Don't feel too bad, our MA at SouthBayMini (Los Angeles area) has also not come up with any tracking info. We determined it was on the Falstaff on our own and then it stopped sending signals on Feb 4 (http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shi...html?call=SLCO
) so we are back to square 1 wondering about its scheduled stop in Cal.

Good point about programming for future installs - I'd love to be set for the alarm when it comes in in March since I live in Northern Cal and will not be able to bring it back to Southbay...
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
I've actually disassembled a few. When you do, you'll see a white elastomeric (soft plastic) pad. There are no physical connections. The toggles push on the pad to (I assume) close the contact for the switch, or at least tell the body computer to turn the switch on.

All the toggle racks (that I've seen) have 18 pins in the back - doesn't matter if they have ASC/DSC, or front or rear fogs.
I could reason that the DME does a 'system check' to make sure the circuit is there, but since there is nothing different 'plugged in' to complete the circuit, that doesn't fly. I'm no EE, but I follow logic quite well.

I'm pretty sure the MAs were just talking out of their ***. The only exception would be the EARLY '05 cars that didn't come with the WIRING for the rear fog. Even in that case, I can't see why you couldn't tell the computer to send power through the harness when the switch (that isn't there yet) closes the contact.
So then how does the car know that front fog light toggle was flipped as opposed to the door lock toggle?

Not trying to argue, just trying to learn....
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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No worries - there are a series of six pairs of raised white 'bumps' on the elastomeric (I love that word) pad. Each represents the 'on' and 'off' for each switch. The toggle rocks and presses a little white spacer that in turn presses on the pad.

I know there are pics out there somewhere, but I can't seem to find any. I'll see if I can take a pic tonight and post it here.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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my ma at classic "Dave" Didn't even know about the fog light being available in the aftermarket. I had to send him the pdf from mini found over at mini 2. It's really bad to know more than your salesperson
 
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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I did not read this whole thread.
But when I show up at my dealer,they give me a car to test drive.
I think they do this to get rid of me because I ask HARD questions
 
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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WooHoo, my rear fog parts just arrived. Now if I could only figure where the car is. Anyone on the west coast know if the boat landed yet?
 
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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MiniMe,

I'd love to know your final resolution on the programming options. Did they agree with you? I've ordered a MINI through Rasmussen and would like to be prepared if they are gonna give me the business!!! As a side point, which MA are you using up at Rasmussen?
 
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
When I picked up my used '04 I negotiated the full rack (loose), and for them to activate the rear fog (I did the rack install myself.) It took three tries, as they kept saying that it was not possible to do the programming before the switch was in the car.
They finally came around when I asked for the tech to explain to me how the car would know if there was an switch on the other side of the elastomeric pad... Even at that point they said that it could be done in an '04, but not an '05.
I'm guessing here...

But my guess is the problem is not that the switch isn't there (which, as you say, is on the other side of an elastomeric pad), but that the light (which is hardwired) isn't there. The light is there on the 04s and previous models.

This is a guess, remember. But what might happen is they try to program the computer to activate the fog light circuit, and the computer looks and sees there's no light, so it doesn't happen.
 
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