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R50/53 ECU-tuned cars will now automatically flunk California smog testing

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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
How do you think it's not ? I'm asking what and why it would flunk there when it passes else where who too have strict standards....
I'm asking how are they gonna tell the programming is altered ??? When they brought my cars ecu up it didn't look any different than any others. How do they see it has a performance tune in it ? Does it detect differences in like injector sizes and actually look at the tune file and compare it to a stock tune file ? Because if that's the case how would a early jcw r53 EVER pass Cali emissions? I was speaking with the guy that did my emissions and after it passed I was like " lol awesome it has this mod....." and we talked for awhile and from what I could tell ALOT of the test is just based off the inspector and what they say , I know the govt likes to scare its citizens into line so I too wanna know EXACTLY what they can see in the program to flunk it ecu wise. Because a visual inspection can be bullshitted around.
Because they have a different way of testing the ECU for modifications compared to other states. I have a F80 M3, and the ECU is easily tuned to make a lot more power, and you can pass NJ state inspection 'tuned' here as long as you have all but one readiness completed and the rear o2 isn't turned off in the software. However, in Cali, an owner needs to put the car back to stock - the ECU - for it to pass. The inspector is looking for known CHECKSUM values that the stock ECU tune gives depending on the revisions of the software. I'd assume that an ECU modified with the stock GP software would also pass, but that's just a guess. This is completely independent of failing for visual differences from stock in the engine bay and exhaust system.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
How do you think it's not ?
Because you're talking about how it's done in WI. This thread is about CA
Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
I'm asking what and why it would flunk there when it passes else where who too have strict standards....
Checksum
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I'm asking how are they gonna tell the programming is altered ???
Checksum
Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
When they brought my cars ecu up it didn't look any different than any others. How do they see it has a performance tune in it ?
Checksum
Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
Does it detect differences in like injector sizes and actually look at the tune file and compare it to a stock tune file ?
Yes, specifically the checksum
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Because if that's the case how would a early jcw r53 EVER pass Cali emissions?
Because their system has a valid checksum for that year listed
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I was speaking with the guy that did my emissions and after it passed I was like " lol awesome it has this mod....." and we talked for awhile and from what I could tell ALOT of the test is just based off the inspector and what they say ,
He passed your car because it was legal in your State.
Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
I know the govt likes to scare its citizens into line so I too wanna know EXACTLY what they can see in the program to flunk it ecu wise. Because a visual inspection can be bullshitted around.
See above. hint CHECKSUM

 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
I think it will would just fine but as others mentioned IF they do a visual inspection I'm not sure but even if they say " hey that's changed thats changed " but your car still passes why could you not tell them there just aftermarket parts ? Your not required to strictly use oem parts just not performance altering ones , so who's to say they know AND can prove the difference or will even bother.
They don't need to prove ****. Why would they. It's their license on the line. Much safer for them to just tell you to go somewhere else. You can argue aftermarket vs performance all you like but why would they even take that risk. I gave the example of aftermarket IC boots. It was enough for them to not want to risk losing their license over the color of my IC boots.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mountainhorse
Since there really are zero records of Official dealer installed kits tied to a VIN …

is it possible to re-flash an MCS ECU with the factory JCW mapping (tune) … and have it
pass Cali smog ?

A dealer installed 210 JCW ‘kit’ had the head, intake, exhaust, 11% pulley and 380cc injectors and had the dealer re-flash the ECU … but, there is zero record of that ‘kit’ tied to the VIN …
Would I be correct in assuming that if I were to do that on my own … that someone in the business could re-flash my ECU with a factoy Mini JCW map, that it would pass ?


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yes I do this all the time, I sell drop in ECU's for 250 $ with your vin and the factory JCW tune, the checksum is not altered so it passes
 
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Old Apr 9, 2022 | 09:26 PM
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Bumpin this cuz i’m due in a few weeks. PM welcme if you’re not comfortable sharing in public.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2022 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by highdensity
Bumpin this cuz i’m due in a few weeks. PM welcme if you’re not comfortable sharing in public.
Is your car heavily modded? How about your ecu? Is it tuned?

My plan is the opposite, but you could get a set of 380cc (if yours has something else) and Mr Blah’s jcw tuned ecu. The tune can handle header and cam so you don’t have to switch those back (if you have those). Drop in the ecu and 380cc just for smog time.

Me, I’ll use Mr blah’s ecu for mods and tuning (adrian) and use my stock ecu and 330cc for smog. The cam and header with oem cat will be hidden anyway. I have a cai in oem airbox. Pulley is the only part that hopefully the tech doesn’t see.

just my 2 cents and sharing what I would do if I were already tuned as wells as sharing my plans.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 01:10 PM
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Rather than starting another thread, I'll add to this one.

I'm now in the same boat. Living in CA, my '05 Sa was last registered in Nevada (lived there 2019-2020), so currently not registered here. Mods currently include RMW's shorty header, 450cc injectors, 15% pulley, RMW dominator cam, and a Milltek cat. Tuned, of course. Airbox is OEM with a KN drop-in.

I'm looking at the following:
- Strip everything off and reflash the tune back to stock
- Swap ecu and tuning ala My Blah/Adrian
- South Dakota registration (still trying find out about insuring the vehicle after that)
- Nevada registration (still have friends there where I could possibly set up a seasonal residency)
- Utah registration (a friend just did this, but he has family (and an address) in Utah)

I'm willing to take it back to stock, as I still just love driving the car, but it would be nice if I could keep the extra power.

Does anyone else have out-of-CA registration experience with your CA-based vehicle? Is it worth jumping through the extra hoops for this?

 
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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 01:18 PM
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A dominator cam is not very aggressive you can probably get that to pass emissions easily with the stock tune you might need to get some 380s and a JCW tune at worst. It's so easy to change injectors on this car
 
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