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>>I think I have said this once before.....As it stands today, MINIBlues has no Lemon law legal recourse.>>
>>Lemon Law was designed to provide legal aid to those car owners that have experienced serious safety flaws with their new vehicles, not to provide means for "Buyer's Remorse" or minor quality related glitches.
I've also said this before in response to Cooper4us's response to a response, etc., etc. and I'm not trying to be combative here. Here's what I posted before:
This all depends on the state. The safety defects are the biggest issue, but there are defaults in some states which depend on the number of days in the shop or "out of service days" your car accumulates. I would talk to MINI and tell them the record of days and your frustration. I had the same problem with my '99 Jetta VR6 (57 "out of service days"
. I sent VW copies of the service records along with a notarized lettered and they were pretty good about it.VW, not wanting to hurt their customer service record bought the car back from me as long as I signed a waiver that said I wouldn't officially Lemon Law it. They were also willing to give me a new car if I prefered. I opted out and haven't looked back. Check it out. Most manufacturers, new or not, do care what is going on with their cars and it's no skin off their backs to make things work (tax write-offs, etc.), if you stomp your feet and make some noise. Help may only be a couple of phone calls and a notarized letter to MINI, away.
Good luck,
J. :smile:
>>Lemon Law was designed to provide legal aid to those car owners that have experienced serious safety flaws with their new vehicles, not to provide means for "Buyer's Remorse" or minor quality related glitches.
I've also said this before in response to Cooper4us's response to a response, etc., etc. and I'm not trying to be combative here. Here's what I posted before:
This all depends on the state. The safety defects are the biggest issue, but there are defaults in some states which depend on the number of days in the shop or "out of service days" your car accumulates. I would talk to MINI and tell them the record of days and your frustration. I had the same problem with my '99 Jetta VR6 (57 "out of service days"
. I sent VW copies of the service records along with a notarized lettered and they were pretty good about it.VW, not wanting to hurt their customer service record bought the car back from me as long as I signed a waiver that said I wouldn't officially Lemon Law it. They were also willing to give me a new car if I prefered. I opted out and haven't looked back. Check it out. Most manufacturers, new or not, do care what is going on with their cars and it's no skin off their backs to make things work (tax write-offs, etc.), if you stomp your feet and make some noise. Help may only be a couple of phone calls and a notarized letter to MINI, away. Good luck,
J. :smile:
Oh no! They didn't rip you did they? The MINI has a STANDARD 50k warranty!!!
yep....it's 50K, but limited and standard.....unfortunately my mini seems to definitely be limited , so I opted for the unlimited...lol!
yep....it's 50K, but limited and standard.....unfortunately my mini seems to definitely be limited , so I opted for the unlimited...lol!
>>I think I have said this once before.....As it stands today, MINIBlues has no Lemon law legal recourse. Indeed, he has many quality control annoyances here and there, but none of them affect the value, use and safety of the car. Besides, for him to find relief under lemon Law a critical component (engine, brakes, suspension, etc) has had to fail 2 to 3 times or more to even been declared as unfixable.
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>>Lemon Law was designed to provide legal aid to those car owners that have experienced serious safety flaws with their new vehicles, not to provide means for "Buyer's Remorse" or minor quality related glitches.
This varies from state to state in NJ the law is:
"{The state defines a new motor vehicle as a lemon if it has one or more defects that are not fixed after three attempts to repair them, or if the vehicle is off the road for a total of 20 cumulative calendar days. The defect must “substantially impair the use, value or safety of the vehicle.” The Lemon Law does not cover defects that result from accidents, vandalism, abuse or neglect. In addition, it does not cover defects that were caused in the process of trying to fix the defect by any person other than the manufacturer, its agent or an authorized dealer. Under the Lemon Law, in order to qualify the consumer must write the manufacturer to give them one last shot at fixing the defect."
So in NJ it goes beyond just safty. I'd check the laws in your state.
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>>Lemon Law was designed to provide legal aid to those car owners that have experienced serious safety flaws with their new vehicles, not to provide means for "Buyer's Remorse" or minor quality related glitches.
This varies from state to state in NJ the law is:
"{The state defines a new motor vehicle as a lemon if it has one or more defects that are not fixed after three attempts to repair them, or if the vehicle is off the road for a total of 20 cumulative calendar days. The defect must “substantially impair the use, value or safety of the vehicle.” The Lemon Law does not cover defects that result from accidents, vandalism, abuse or neglect. In addition, it does not cover defects that were caused in the process of trying to fix the defect by any person other than the manufacturer, its agent or an authorized dealer. Under the Lemon Law, in order to qualify the consumer must write the manufacturer to give them one last shot at fixing the defect."
So in NJ it goes beyond just safty. I'd check the laws in your state.
I'm sorry for all of your problems with the "S". When I visited the dealership last week (Nashville), there were more "S's" on the lot than Coopers. I drove the S, and liked the added umphhhh of what's under the bonnet, but was concerned about the supercharger. i have many friends who bought into the "turbo" craze in the 80's. Most traded. The sales force in Nashville were so young, I doubt any were driving in the 80's. I am thankful that your dealer has been understanding through it all. Take solice in that fact that you only ended up paying "sticker" for your S. Folks in Nashville are having to ride the "storm" of True Market Value. UGHHHHH!
>>I'm sorry for all of your problems with the "S". When I visited the dealership last week (Nashville), there were more "S's" on the lot than Coopers. I drove the S, and liked the added umphhhh of what's under the bonnet, but was concerned about the supercharger. i have many friends who bought into the "turbo" craze in the 80's. Most traded. The sales force in Nashville were so young, I doubt any were driving in the 80's. I am thankful that your dealer has been understanding through it all. Take solice in that fact that you only ended up paying "sticker" for your S. Folks in Nashville are having to ride the "storm" of True Market Value. UGHHHHH!
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Well those turbos in the 80's (esp American ones) were some of the most unreliable engines ever produced. Don't worry, newer turbos and superchargers are nothing like those of 20 yrs ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>Well those turbos in the 80's (esp American ones) were some of the most unreliable engines ever produced. Don't worry, newer turbos and superchargers are nothing like those of 20 yrs ago.
Cooperman,
I recently ordered an MCS from MINI of Nashville. Please describe the "ordeal" you had. If it's a long story, please email me. Thanks.
BTW, if you order one you pay sticker.beaugeste93@yahoo.com
I recently ordered an MCS from MINI of Nashville. Please describe the "ordeal" you had. If it's a long story, please email me. Thanks.
BTW, if you order one you pay sticker.beaugeste93@yahoo.com
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