R50/53 Exhaust flame?
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HMMM ! http://eatmyflames.com/what-are-exhaust-flames.php
I would have to say that these guys fall under the category DaveTinNY was talking about.
Same thing with the other guys Autoloc
There are many Flame kits on the market most are bad news for the engine using an ignition kill and firing unburned gas. The very few LPG systems that are out there do not tell you about the OPD on the new tanks. So you buy there plans build it and it does not work very well.
The system that I built is safe and will not harm the engine.
You have to first manually arm the system. There must be oil pressure(OP switch @ 15lb psi) and then to fire the plug there is a momentary switch the operate the LP gas solenoid and coil pack.
I would have to say that these guys fall under the category DaveTinNY was talking about.
Same thing with the other guys Autoloc
There are many Flame kits on the market most are bad news for the engine using an ignition kill and firing unburned gas. The very few LPG systems that are out there do not tell you about the OPD on the new tanks. So you buy there plans build it and it does not work very well.
The system that I built is safe and will not harm the engine.
You have to first manually arm the system. There must be oil pressure(OP switch @ 15lb psi) and then to fire the plug there is a momentary switch the operate the LP gas solenoid and coil pack.
When you say manually arm the system do you mean open the valve on the LPG tank? The oil pressure switch I'm a little confused on. The wiring of the gas solenoid and coil pack switch I understand, the only other things I am a little lost on are... #1 what type of solenoid did you use for gas release could a system similar to a nitrous setup work #2 how did you run the hardlines for it #3 how close to the lpg line did you mount the plug
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so I have yet to finish my search of this but tell me if this is somewhat close to the wiring.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1064...31608684seBudK
Obviously where is says to go to the engine it would be the LPG tank. Obviously some type of orifice valve is needed so that the flame doesn't come back into the LPG tank. It is actually less complicated than I was making it.... or so it seems
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1064...31608684seBudK
Obviously where is says to go to the engine it would be the LPG tank. Obviously some type of orifice valve is needed so that the flame doesn't come back into the LPG tank. It is actually less complicated than I was making it.... or so it seems
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so I have yet to finish my search of this but tell me if this is somewhat close to the wiring.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1064...31608684seBudK
Obviously where is says to go to the engine it would be the LPG tank. Obviously some type of orifice valve is needed so that the flame doesn't come back into the LPG tank. It is actually less complicated than I was making it.... or so it seems
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1064...31608684seBudK
Obviously where is says to go to the engine it would be the LPG tank. Obviously some type of orifice valve is needed so that the flame doesn't come back into the LPG tank. It is actually less complicated than I was making it.... or so it seems
no think simple, NOS is way more complicated You need to arm the system by first flipping one of the switches. If the car is not running then there is not oil pressure therefore the circuit will not complete and the flame will not work. Likewise is you kill, stall or shut the engine off for what ever reason there will be no oil pressure and no complete circuit. There are actually 2 relays in the system. The solenoid valve is rated @ 900lbs pi and will not open unless there is a 12volt current. When the current is off the valve will automatically shut. It is a similar solenoid as a NOS only MUCH better quality. And by the way I NEVER use any of the packaged NOS solenoids from any company. They are all the low-end units and will fail or have problem if used often! The valve is close to the LP tank so the only gas left in the system after the valve is shut is what is already in the exhaust and without a way to ignite simply exits out the tail pipe. I am sure that under some weird circumstance it may be possible to ignite the residue but that would be an extreme case. And even then it would only be for a second at the most.
NOS is an oxidizer and therefore very different then LPG so you really can not think of coping that system.
You can run the LPG line pretty much anywhere close to the muffler is better. I run the line about 4 inches before the muffler. The plug is just in front of the stainless tip. All nice and hidden out of plain site.
The diagram you sent (sorry) it is nothing like the LP Flame.
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Thanks for the clarifications, Nitro... I was thinking GASoline (should have read more carefully). As an ex firefighter, flames are somewhat of a concern when they exit a perfectly good vehicle. Can be ugly. In your case, however, it looks like you have the safety well thought out. :-) Flame on!
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no think simple, NOS is way more complicated You need to arm the system by first flipping one of the switches. If the car is not running then there is not oil pressure therefore the circuit will not complete and the flame will not work. Likewise is you kill, stall or shut the engine off for what ever reason there will be no oil pressure and no complete circuit. There are actually 2 relays in the system. The solenoid valve is rated @ 900lbs pi and will not open unless there is a 12volt current. When the current is off the valve will automatically shut. It is a similar solenoid as a NOS only MUCH better quality. And by the way I NEVER use any of the packaged NOS solenoids from any company. They are all the low-end units and will fail or have problem if used often! The valve is close to the LP tank so the only gas left in the system after the valve is shut is what is already in the exhaust and without a way to ignite simply exits out the tail pipe. I am sure that under some weird circumstance it may be possible to ignite the residue but that would be an extreme case. And even then it would only be for a second at the most.
NOS is an oxidizer and therefore very different then LPG so you really can not think of coping that system.
You can run the LPG line pretty much anywhere close to the muffler is better. I run the line about 4 inches before the muffler. The plug is just in front of the stainless tip. All nice and hidden out of plain site.
The diagram you sent (sorry) it is nothing like the LP Flame.
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Ok so if that is so far off can you supply some type of diagram? I looked at that page again it says at the top flamethrower exhaust ignition diagram. I wasn't saying that a nitrous system w/ LP in it would work, I was asking if the nitrous nozzle from say a dry system would work to put in the exhaust pipe. Let me know b/c now your last post has me really confused and I plan to start building it this weekend.
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