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R50/53 Cost of Replacing MCS Windshield

Old Aug 27, 2007 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JustGo4It_
Ruby, do your homework before you state your opinion as fact. All automobile windshields for the last 20 years have been structural components of the unibody vehicle. In addition to helping structural rigidity, it also directs the passenger airbag when it deploys.
Well, this all depends on what you define as a structural member. Sure it carries some of the load, as do the side windows, the splash guards, the bumper covers, etc.; but I don't know if I'd call those things "structural members". Would the car collapes without a windshield? hardly. Does the windshield carry a SIGNIFICANT load? Obviously not, given its attatchment method (its glued into place). Debate me on semantics all you want, the point is the dealer was feeding this person a load of crap, saying that some special technique was required to replace the MINI's windshield, when it is in fact glued in place just like every other windshield for the last 20 years.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:05 AM
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I'd say the dealer's argument is partial, rather than total, crap. All windshields are part of the structure of the car. That doesn't mean the car will fold up without OEM glass. The A-pillar covers are prone to breakage. If an installer breaks them, however, the installer replaces them (they aren't that expensive). The position of the airbags in the A-pillar DOES make them a consideration. But, that placement is harldy unique. My 2003 Benz's and my 2005 Infiniti's had air bags there, too. Yeah, there are horror stories about 3rd party installers. But, that's true of every aspect of car repair. Something to consider: Most (or many) MINI dealers don't do the install themselves, either. They use a 3rd party. Find out who it is and skip the middleman. Alternatively, do some research and use a reputable, established place.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:24 AM
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ok, partial crap, you're right, but to distill it, THIS part of their argument was TOTAL crap:

"[The windshield] needed to be pressed on using a special technique that only BMW was certified to use."

An outright LIE in an attempt to justify a CLEARLY bloated install price (that quote is a full 411% higher than what I paid an independent installer for OEM glass). Its somewhat misleading to mention that the warranty is void as well, given that it will simply be warrantied by another party, not the dealer at that point. Its the truth I guess, but only the part of the truth that its convenient for them to tell you.
 

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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LynnEl
Mandated coverage almost always results from insurance companies screwing their customers by denying claims. If insurers acted responsibly and reasonably, there would be no need for mandated coverage. As for window glass, prior to the mandates, insurers would exclude glass coverage or severely limit the instances in which it is covered. Besides, the issue initially raised by planeguy wasn't about mandated coverage; it was about how we who elect to pay more for better coverage are somehow responsible for screwing the rest of the people who elect to take higher risk. That's plane bull. As I pointed out before, the logic totally ignores the fact that insurance companies INVEST the premiums; it's not "dollar in, dollar out." Using that poster's logic, I am screwing a potential mortgatge client when I withdraw money from my account.
You seem to have some strong thoughts on this.
I agree with you taking glass coverage is not harming anyone else.

However, you are wrong on INVESTing the premiums. It is "dollars in, dollars out" for insurance companies.

We probably could have a very long debate on this but madated coverages do cost you money as I said. I can prove it with acturial tables.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by thulchatt
You seem to have some strong thoughts on this.
I agree with you taking glass coverage is not harming anyone else.

However, you are wrong on INVESTing the premiums. It is "dollars in, dollars out" for insurance companies.

We probably could have a very long debate on this but madated coverages do cost you money as I said. I can prove it with acturial tables.
I guess all those annual statements are fabricated.
 
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 01:51 PM
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