Navigation & Audio Updated Y cable for iphone?
Just for the record, I stopped at the dealership yesterday and took a cable out of a 2010 to try in my '09.
Bottom line, it didn't work. (3GS)
Guess we're all still waiting for a corrected cable.
Mark
I wonder if it has to do with weither the car got the smartphone prep? Mine did.
My 3G and my wifes 3gs both charge when in the cradle in the armrest. Along with being able to use the Ipod part.
My 3G and my wifes 3gs both charge when in the cradle in the armrest. Along with being able to use the Ipod part.
1st Gear
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
From: Silicon Valley, CA
My 3G S has now shown to be charging twice now. It is always when it is already at 100%. Even though the charging icon is shown, the percentage still drops.
I only have the Y cable and not the smart phone integration.
I only have the Y cable and not the smart phone integration.
In response to your first post, yes, everyone has a bad day and I'd rather have someone come to their senses and just answer the question than keep harping on "who said what..."
Tis all cool.
Now, back to your question. I'm not sure if all minis come with both USB and aux ports.
I bought a Craven mounting bracket for the iphone but you have to use just the iphone, it can't be on a case.
HTH's,
Mark
4th Gear
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 442
Likes: 2
From: Sonora, CA
Yeah, I changed the post after I thought about it. I know mine comes with a aux port, a USB port would be cool. I looked at the new Craven mount during AMVIV in Vegas, it is nice and simple. Just a fixed position mount on the tach. The only down side is the phone has to be caseless. I have a really slim case but I doubt it will work.
Larry
Larry
Neutral
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
From: Tampa, FL
I don't have my 2010 MCC yet but while looking for a one I found out that all of them have the aux but you need to get the Bluetooth/USB option to get the USB. I didn't really need the bluetooth but definitely need the USB to be able to control/charge my iPhone 3G.
Yeah, I changed the post after I thought about it. I know mine comes with a aux port, a USB port would be cool. I looked at the new Craven mount during AMVIV in Vegas, it is nice and simple. Just a fixed position mount on the tach. The only down side is the phone has to be caseless. I have a really slim case but I doubt it will work.
Larry
Larry
I remember when my first laptop came with 3 or 4 USB's, I was thinking WTH do I need that many slots for? Now I see why they have hubs...
Mark
5th Gear
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 747
Likes: 0
From: Hell
I thought I saw an "Accessory iPod adapter" mentioned somewhere on the Mini site. There is a picture of an ipod laying in the glove box. I have this cable in my Civic and it charges the phone but doesn't allow the iPod to be controlled through the head unit. However, when I look through the options, I cannot find this adapter anywhere. I'll have to ask the dealer when I go tomorrow. I'll report back on what they say if anyone is interested.
2nd Gear
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 56
Likes: 1
Well I actually tried it - took the USB Cable that came with my 3GS and used it in the Mini. Sure enough, it does not charge. Hell, it didn't even say unsupported charger.
That leads me to believe that the USB port is NOT powerful enough.
That leads me to believe that the USB port is NOT powerful enough.
It's not that the USB isn't powerful enough, it's the wiring of the Y cable that won't let it charge.
The Scosche adapter allows the 3g to charge, the 3gs seems to charge just fine in my 2010...
The Scosche adapter allows the 3g to charge, the 3gs seems to charge just fine in my 2010...
Neutral
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
From what I understand the reason that the 3GS sometimes appears to charge and sometimes does not is because it is designed to draw different voltage and different stages of the charging - if below 50% battery then it needs the full mA, but if the phone is already more than half charged the 400mA is enough.
From what I understand the reason that the 3GS sometimes appears to charge and sometimes does not is because it is designed to draw different voltage and different stages of the charging - if below 50% battery then it needs the full mA, but if the phone is already more than half charged the 400mA is enough.
'Ohhh shuddup already. What? Because you know everything, no one is allowed to ask, ***** or moan about a subject because his majesty has already spoken the TRUTH.
Get over it man, we're impressed already.
Mark
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 152
Likes: 4
Whats sad is his TRUTH isnt even the truth it never was a voltage issue. It is and always has been the fact that apple NO LONGER USE FIREWIRE spec to charge with and all the old stuff never got changed to support only USB charging. EVEN apple themselves say that and frankly I believe apple and MINI over some random dude on the net.
Go back one page people and read the damn TSB from MINI> Not sure how you can argue with the guys that make the damn car:
NOT ONCE ANYWHERE HAS APPLE OR MINI OR BMW SAID IT WAS A AMPERAGE ISSUE FROM THE USB PORT YET THEY ALL HAVE SAID IT WAS AND IS RELATED TO THEIR SWITCH IN CHARGING SPECIFICATIONS AND THE PIN OUT OF THE PORTS USED TO DO SO. No clue how you can argue its something else. But mister TRUTH knows stuff MINI/BMW/APPLE dont.
Go back one page people and read the damn TSB from MINI> Not sure how you can argue with the guys that make the damn car:
One last post supposedly staright from MINI/BMW that again confirms what I said and that its nothing more than the usb/firewire issue and that a new cable WOULD fix it. Link from this thread :https://www.northamericanmotoring.com...-solution.html
There are a few threads circulating with similar questions or issues. My MA sent me this message that he recently received from BMW:
"This DCS message is directed to all BMW centers and MINI dealers with regards to charging the latest generation iPhone 3G, iPod Touch, iPod Nano and iPod Classic with the accessory iPod interface.
With the new line up of Apple devices, Apple switched from a (12 volt) FireWire charging protocol to (5 volt) USB, causing the devices to display the following error message:
"Accessory not made to work with iPhone" or "charging not supported"
We are aware of the issue and have started development of a new interface cable with an inline 12- 5 volt converter. The new cables are currently undergoing approval at Apple and will be available Q1 2009.
As these devices were created well after the development of the our interface it was unable for us to anticipate this issue."
There are a few threads circulating with similar questions or issues. My MA sent me this message that he recently received from BMW:
"This DCS message is directed to all BMW centers and MINI dealers with regards to charging the latest generation iPhone 3G, iPod Touch, iPod Nano and iPod Classic with the accessory iPod interface.
With the new line up of Apple devices, Apple switched from a (12 volt) FireWire charging protocol to (5 volt) USB, causing the devices to display the following error message:
"Accessory not made to work with iPhone" or "charging not supported"
We are aware of the issue and have started development of a new interface cable with an inline 12- 5 volt converter. The new cables are currently undergoing approval at Apple and will be available Q1 2009.
As these devices were created well after the development of the our interface it was unable for us to anticipate this issue."
Last edited by Kodan; May 18, 2010 at 12:57 PM.
1st Gear
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
So is the Scosche device current output the same as the ULF module (400ma) ? e.g. did they just simply put a voltage divider circuit between the Firewire and USB pins?
With the Scosche device, my iPhone (original 2G) still gives the "incompatible" screen. I haven't left it plugged in long enough to determine if it is actually charging. I'll post and what it does after I let the iPhone battery get down to 85% or so have it plugged in for more than a few minutes...
Where is this troublesome ULF module and how easy is it to get to? I'm wondering how hard it would be to crack open this device or the usb jack and hardwire the pins in question to the fuse box.
With the Scosche device, my iPhone (original 2G) still gives the "incompatible" screen. I haven't left it plugged in long enough to determine if it is actually charging. I'll post and what it does after I let the iPhone battery get down to 85% or so have it plugged in for more than a few minutes...
Where is this troublesome ULF module and how easy is it to get to? I'm wondering how hard it would be to crack open this device or the usb jack and hardwire the pins in question to the fuse box.
Last edited by ILv2Xlr8; Jul 27, 2010 at 08:13 PM.
1st Gear
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
I feel the same way about the ipod option we paid for on the car...
There is an ipod cable breakout board available here:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/pro...oducts_id=8295
Using this, you could breakout the power connections to ULF and hardware pin 16 USB GND and pin 23 USB 5V Power to the a USB car-charger in the fuse box so you are not limited to current output of the ULF.
This might be the same as doing what this connector does:
http://www.chargeconverter.com/shop/connector.htm
Any had any success with this Ridax connector?
Does the Mini ULF USB iPod connection have a standard pinout, or did they do something funky requiring the Mini cable?
There is an ipod cable breakout board available here:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/pro...oducts_id=8295
Using this, you could breakout the power connections to ULF and hardware pin 16 USB GND and pin 23 USB 5V Power to the a USB car-charger in the fuse box so you are not limited to current output of the ULF.
This might be the same as doing what this connector does:
http://www.chargeconverter.com/shop/connector.htm
Any had any success with this Ridax connector?
Does the Mini ULF USB iPod connection have a standard pinout, or did they do something funky requiring the Mini cable?
Last edited by ILv2Xlr8; Jul 31, 2010 at 09:12 PM.
That's what great forums are all about.
Mark
1st Gear
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
There is a lot infomation on here as I'm sure Hereleman discovered like I did... including conflicting information:In the end, we are all just looking for the least cumbersome solution that works.
Neutral
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: Yardley, PA 19067
I'm having a similar issue with my 2010 Clubman with the Y adapter and a 3rd gen iPod Touch that I just purchased. It has the new iOS4 on it and when I plug it in to my car, it will read the playlists and songs but it won't play after I select a song. When I unplug the Touch and go to music and start playing, then plug it back it in, it will work through the car but I can't change songs.
I previously had no issues with a 2nd gen Touch. I also tried it with a co-worker's iPhone 3G w/iOS4 and a 1st gen Touch and they worked.
It's sounding like a definite hardware issue.
Also, sometimes I would get the warning screen about not be able to charge and other times I wouldn't.
I have a call into Princeton MINI and I'm waiting to hear back from them.
I got my car in May 2010 (not sure when it was manufactured).
I previously had no issues with a 2nd gen Touch. I also tried it with a co-worker's iPhone 3G w/iOS4 and a 1st gen Touch and they worked.
It's sounding like a definite hardware issue.
Also, sometimes I would get the warning screen about not be able to charge and other times I wouldn't.
I have a call into Princeton MINI and I'm waiting to hear back from them.
I got my car in May 2010 (not sure when it was manufactured).