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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 07:37 AM
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Zero to 60...does this seem respectable?

I recently posted a video clip on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cBrjSrsymQ of 2 0-60 runs in my MC (post GIAC ECU remap). Since it has boosted my inner "enthusiasm for the MINI scale (the purpose of this forum), I thought I would include the link here as well, and ask what results others have (purely subjective or timed) for 0-60 runs in both the MC and the MCS. My best run of the two (the first in the video) was jsut over 8 seconds with DSC on. Mucho wheel spin with DSC off on the second brought the time to over 10 seconds.

If you watch the video and can't tell exactly when I hit 60, it was just before shifting into 3rd on both runs.

The run took place on highway entrance ramps, where the speed limit was 65. No laws were broken and no animals were harmed in the filming of these clips
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 08:14 AM
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Just over 8 seconds seems respectable.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 08:42 AM
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minus it being 3 to 4 seconds slower than the "faster cars" ;/ that only makes me wonder what mine will do a;sdlkfja
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave
My best run of the two (the first in the video) was jsut over 8 seconds with DSC on. Mucho wheel spin with DSC off on the second brought the time to over 10 seconds.
How did you time it?
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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sub 6 seconds for most faster cars today,
but 8 seconds is still respectable for a daily
driven car.

my civic doesn't even hit 60mph in the
commute (surface roads only) so don't really
know how quick it is. going more for mpg than
mph.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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How much did the ECU remap cost?
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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How did you time it?
I timed it using the video counter in Quicktime. I was just trying to get a rough idea of what the 0-60 range would be based on some of the questions I've had over in the Non-S performance forum.

How much did the ECU remap cost?
$325, reflashes and upgrades included.

I realize this ain't no Nissan Z, Porsche, RX-8, etc. time...I am just curious how it compares to stock MINIs and other cars in our class. I wish I had done some pre 0-60 runs before the mods.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
sub 6 seconds for most faster cars today,
but 8 seconds is still respectable for a daily
driven car.
a 6 second car is very quick. Very quick.
an OEM MCS is a 7 second car, maybe 7.3 I read. JCW is about 6.4/6.5.

7 seconds is about the threshold for a fast car. Above that is usually family cars. 9 seconds for commuters (e.g., corollas).

8 seconds is pretty good. You got to remember it takes a lot more HP to drop those numbers ... its NOT linear, in other words, adding 10 more HP doesn't necessarily mean you go .2 sec quicker, etc.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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^^ really? cause in my books a street car that is very quick can do
sub 5 sec to 60mph...

6sec being very quick was back in the 90's.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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thats pretty good considering you havent done much performance wise. and quick is sub 7 sec, pretty quick is sub 6 sec and so on and so forth
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
^^ really? cause in my books a street car that is very quick can do
sub 5 sec to 60mph...

6sec being very quick was back in the 90's.
OK very quick is relative of course. However and hmm, I lost the web page that had all the 0-60 times

The vast majority of cars OEM are over 7 secs
Most muscle cars were not all that quick because they were very heavy, 2 ton beasts.
Take a look here from R&T https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=80382

Most of the cars are sub 5 sec or over 6 secs with a few exceptions.
0 - 60 times are meaningless anyway. To get those time you need to totally abuse the clutch, most dumping them at 4500 or higher. For example, Elixe/Exige times are dumping at 7K

A truer test of power is 0 - 120 times or 50 - 120 times
Many cars "run out of gas" between 90 - 120. For example, the Lotus are smoking when you dump the clutch but over 90 thats about it (relatively speaking).

Many ppl who think the have something "fast" find out that from 100 on ... they got nothing.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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But didn't you say you did this on a highway entrance ramp? It also looked like it was a downhill entrance ramp, which I'm not sure if that is a fair run.

I think in order to equally compare it to others, everyone would need to run a test in the same manner.

But to get your best legit 0-60, I think you would need to do it on a flat surface street.

But I like the thread, it would be nice to see how mods help people out!
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
a 6 second car is very quick. Very quick.
an OEM MCS is a 7 second car, maybe 7.3 I read. JCW is about 6.4/6.5.

7 seconds is about the threshold for a fast car. Above that is usually family cars. 9 seconds for commuters (e.g., corollas).

8 seconds is pretty good. You got to remember it takes a lot more HP to drop those numbers ... its NOT linear, in other words, adding 10 more HP doesn't necessarily mean you go .2 sec quicker, etc.
Chows, I thought the MCS was rated at ~ 6.8 (at least the 2006 model) or are you talking reality vs. what they tell you?
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KC MCS
But didn't you say you did this on a highway entrance ramp? It also looked like it was a downhill entrance ramp, which I'm not sure if that is a fair run.
now let's not get too picky here.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
now let's not get too picky here.

I just didn't want someone who ended up with a longer 0-60 time to feel like they have less of a MINI!
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:28 PM
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Chows, I thought the MCS was rated at ~ 6.8 (at least the 2006 model) or are you talking reality vs. what they tell you?
Yeah... kinda what i was thinking. As soon as I get new tires, and everything all boosty next spring I'm going to make a couple vids. I'm at 62mph at the redline in 2nd(ironcally that's exactly 100Km/h... I think MINI planned that), which comes really quick imo over stock. With everything I plan on upgrading too, it will be even quicker. Wasn't Tuls, when he was running about 300whp, puttin times out in the mid 4s?

A true performer, and maybe I'm just ricer, is a Nissan Skyline, I'm thinkin about an R33 with an RB26DET as a MINI replacement in a year or so. If you want to see their horsepower and performance pontential you just need to look at THIS vid. It was taken on a toll road in tokyo without a speed limit... just watch and see how quick this thing is, and it's not Km/h they're referring to either.

The MINI really isn't a 0-60 car, most fwd 4 cyls aren't, but once you have traction and rpms these things fly.


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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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I think that removing the Ipod and cellphone will get you <6.3.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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I think that removing the Ipod and cellphone will get you <6.3.
I'm sure
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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have fun with the skyline, they get through the 1/4 mile faster than a cooper gets to 60mph. its crazy
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 06:17 PM
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just watched the vid. i think its cooler when people break 200mph on two wheels, AKA hyabusa
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 08:43 PM
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I consider under 7 seconds quick, under 6 fast, and anything below 5 totally nuts.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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just watched the vid. i think its cooler when people break 200mph on two wheels, AKA hyabusa
Not to mention INSANE!

Being able to go over 200-220mph on a bike without losing control and crashing it is just amazing.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sdv515
just watched the vid. i think its cooler when people break 200mph on two wheels, AKA hyabusa
Oh i've got one for that too... But it was taken on a speed limited highway. And he did something like 238mph (60mph-230mph in 20sec) if im not mistaken. So I can't post it. Turbo Busas own all. My friend Joey has one. He'll die before he's 20 but that's okay... as long as your final moments are fun it shouldn't really matter. PM me if you want a link to the vid.

Like I said before I think if MINI were smart they would come out with an AWD version of the 07+ body style, similar to the Getrag concept car. 0-60 times would be reduced dramatically and it would add an entirely new driving car to the lineup. When u exit a corner just nail it and watch the back end slide out, on a 2900lb car that would be insane. OOOOO then they could do a Tokyo Drift remake keeping only the hot Peruvian girl in the cast, and use nothing but MINIs. I think I'm onto something. Can you imagine with some of the tuning out there? 400whp turbo MINIs hookin up all four tires? I can.




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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 09:48 PM
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Here's the Unofficial Database.
And here's one of the fastest Mini's ever. Hybrid Mini.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:20 AM
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But to get your best legit 0-60, I think you would need to do it on a flat surface street.
True, although my main purpose was to see how the performance was affected by the GIAC remap. I already had other "hard" data (dyno runs), but wanted some other comparison, too.
I think that removing the Ipod and cellphone will get you <6.3.
That's very funny! Seriously, what would have helped would have been less than a full tank of gas and a mounted camera (vs. my 130 lb cameraman - 16 year old son)!
I was impressed by how having DSC on helped the time. I got brief wheel spin and then traction - no bog down.

Great responses to this issue!
 
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