Okay, I'm seriously looking at getting a set of either S.TECH or H.TECH springs for my '05 MCS. So I have a few of questions for those of you who have experience with one or the other...

1) I've heard that the S.TECHs give a more comfortable ride than stock and that the H.TECHs give a close-to-, but slightly-harder-ride than stock. Is this true?

2) How close are the drops quoted by TEIN (S.TECH: -1.2" & -1.1"; H.TECH: -0.6" & -0.5") to the actual drops?

3) Are the drops quoted by TEIN pretty close to the final settled drop?

4) Though I know that aftermarket rear-control arms are always a good idea, I'm working on a budget. So, will either the S.TECH or H.TECH springs allow me to get away with the stock arms (i.e., not too much negative camber)?

Thanks!

 

you got it the other way around...

1) S.Tech more spoty ride.. H.Tech more comfy ride...

2) S.Tech drops more then H.Tech..

3) yes.. pretty much

4) this one I don't really know... But I always thought that lowering springs will give u negative or postive camber if u don't do the alignment after lowered.

 

Thanks for the input! I saw your post about your S.TECHs before I posted this one -- great look.

So, I know that you have 15" Rotas, but it seems like I saw one pic with your car and 16" or 17" V-Spokes...is that right? Do you think 17" wheels would be a little big for the drop the S.TECHs give?

Also, do you have much negative camber from the 1.2" drop?

 

I'm installing the S-Techs that Santa brought sometime next weekend. I'm thinking that with the modest drop and the '05 slightly adjustable rear camber, I can get away with stock control arms. We shall see

 

positive camber?????????

 

woops..

 

Is 16" V-Spokes..... I don't think 17" will be a problem for the S.Tech... even coilovers don't have problems with 17" when drops are more then 1.2"..

 

17s and 1.2" drop will not make any problems as long as you are on factory rims with 42ET and 205/45/17 size tires, like i said before i had 17" S-lites with stock RFs and would not rub at all, now i am on 215/35/18s with 1" drop, 42ET (offset) occasional rubbing.

 

berky- that has nothing to do with your wheels or tires. you just ate
too much over christmas.

 

what are you talking about , you were pickin' on Yucca, YOU ARE THE POLICE of NAM , please read the thread from the beginning, Ken

 

huh?

 

Guys, beware if you are around susp. mods and tire threads, slow down, Ken the-NAM-trooper is hiding J/K

 

berky- you do know that your post above about considering tire size
and offset regarding rubbing issues is correct, right? I just
wanna make sure. it was my poor attempt to be funny since you
hit it on the nail.


i dont wanna confuse you any more tonight.

 

 

 

So, does anyone think that with the TEINs (H. or S.TECHS) that I'll need camber plates for the front?

 

Well, since Ken knows everything in the suspension world , i will leave it up to him , but i say NO, like explained today yours is an 05, after the lowering springs, a nice alignment will set you right, and prolly Sensei will agree, it is good to have a little neg. camber since the whole idea is to improve handling .

BTW, what is the spring rates on those?

 

Really, no on the camber plates? I thought you said that I would need the camber plates, just not the rear sway bars? Hmm, maybe I was out of it...

As for the spring rates: S.TECH (224/246), H.TECH (207/229)

 

well, yes and no, i said if you need camber adjustments in the front, you will need front plates, rear is adjustable on yours up to a certain degree. Rear sway bar is used to reduce understeer, does not have anything to the with the camber settings. Certainly suggested, one of the best mods to do on the car to improve handling. I had an alignment done few days after the h-sport springs installation (actually waited 150 miles to settle the set). One thing i have been told long time ago was to not trust every shop on alignment, so this place in SATX, i had them give me a print out before and after the alignment, and i was there watching and learning the whole time.

If you are concerned about the abnormal tire wear, i don't think it is going to be a major problem if you get a good alignment after the spring installation.

My car is very close to factory settings, no visible excessive tire wear so far, but months and more info yet to come....

 

Okay cool, I get it now. I was just a bit confused.

BTW, I meant rear control arms, not rear sway bars -- it's a bit late...

 

you won't need camber plates for the front with a 1-1.5" drop unless
you want to ADD neg camber for track use. for street, just leave it
alone. the rear you may or may not want to lessen the neg camber
if you want more or less turnability. but you can figure that out
after you get your swaybar and then play with your camber settings
for the rear. your choice in tires play a big role too...so just take it
a step at a time.

berky- can you post your before and after alignment measurements?
thanks. no, im no sensei of suspension. i just know how to
setup my street cars, that's all.

 

absolutely, i have the print out at work, i can do that tomorrow, remind me please

 

So, from what Berk and Ken are saying, it looks like no matter which TEIN spring I go with, I won't need front camber plates OR rear control arms -- especially for my '05. Obviously, things can vary from car to car and I'm very aware of that fact.

 

correct, no camber plates nor control arms are necessary