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Suspension 27mm H&R front sway bar, Advantages?disadvantages?
SuspensionSprings, struts, coilovers, sway-bars, camber plates, and all other modifications to suspension components for Clubman (R55), Cooper and Cooper S (R56), and Cabrio (R57) MINIs.
27mm H&R front sway bar, Advantages?disadvantages?
Engine and trans coming out, installing rebuilt engine with JCW pistons, JCW turbo and exhaust manifold, Downpipe etc. wavetrak lsd. also installing power flex lower control arm bushings, and 27mm H&R front sway bar. Vechicle already has H&R coil overs and H&r rear sway bar. I know the car will corner flatter for track/autocross will there be any disadvantage to having a bigger front sway bar as far as track and autocross use? Not much info on the suspension forum, doesn't look like this mod is done very often. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance
Hopefully the wavetrak will take care of the inside wheel spin, I Thought overall cornering traction should increase, purchased H&R front and rear sway bars as a set, 27mm front, 22mm adjustable rear.
Hopefully the wavetrak will take care of the inside wheel spin, I Thought overall cornering traction should increase, purchased H&R front and rear sway bars as a set, 27mm front, 22mm adjustable rear.
You are correct it does help plant the front end. Not many people install them as the labor is so much more than the rear, but when you do it is a really nice mod and you can run the rear bar on a stiffer setting. I run a larger front sway bar in both my cars and love it. With the LSD I can tell it help it get the power down. You will counter act the rear bar adding oversteer, and do add back some of the factory understeer, but the benefits will out weight that all day long. I wouldn't do it with just a stock rear sway bar, but as long as you are putting in at least a 22mm rear sway bar you'll love it.
You are correct it does help plant the front end. Not many people install them as the labor is so much more than the rear, but when you do it is a really nice mod and you can run the rear bar on a stiffer setting. I run a larger front sway bar in both my cars and love it. With the LSD I can tell it help it get the power down. You will counter act the rear bar adding oversteer, and do add back some of the factory understeer, but the benefits will out weight that all day long. I wouldn't do it with just a stock rear sway bar, but as long as you are putting in at least a 22mm rear sway bar you'll love it.
i have the WMW 25.5 mm hollow rear swaybar, what front swaybar do you recommend i get to complement it? Are there any hollow front swaybars?
Last edited by Project_Mini; May 24, 2020 at 05:41 PM.
WMW makes a 25.5mm hollow rear
bar (I have one and love it at the soft
setting with winter tires and the
middle setting with summer tires.
AFAIK he doesn’t make a 22.5mm
rear hollow bar.
I’d keep the front bar stock.
WMW makes a 25.5mm hollow rear
bar (I have one and love it at the soft
setting with winter tires and the
middle setting with summer tires.
AFAIK he doesn’t make a 22.5mm
rear hollow bar.
I’d keep the front bar stock.
You are correct it does help plant the front end. Not many people install them as the labor is so much more than the rear, but when you do it is a really nice mod and you can run the rear bar on a stiffer setting. I run a larger front sway bar in both my cars and love it. With the LSD I can tell it help it get the power down. You will counter act the rear bar adding oversteer, and do add back some of the factory understeer, but the benefits will out weight that all day long. I wouldn't do it with just a stock rear sway bar, but as long as you are putting in at least a 22mm rear sway bar you'll love it.
im running front and rear “superPro” bars on my roadster, so a touch lighter duty @26mm/20mm front/rear
but also with a quaife diff, b16 pss10 bilstiens, gp2 strutbrace/tower slot-cut for fitting and camber, with Yokohama AD 08R, 215/45/17
It’s a nice combination on track and the street, no real understeer issues, car loves tight corners, just hooks up and goes.
Be careful here. As for auto ing, adding understeer is never a good thing. Ask the better autoxers what they do for the front to rear bars ratio?(like in the the track/autox area of this forum) I am not a better autoxer, I’m just an engineer and track, part-time autoxer and Dragon junkie, running a R50 with stock smaller front bar and 25mm rear bar. I think left and my MINI rotates and turns left!
Be careful here. As for auto ing, adding understeer is never a good thing. Ask the better autoxers what they do for the front to rear bars ratio?(like in the the track/autox area of this forum) I am not a better autoxer, I’m just an engineer and track, part-time autoxer and Dragon junkie, running a R50 with stock smaller front bar and 25mm rear bar. I think left and my MINI rotates and turns left!
Hopefully someone far more clever than me will be able to explain the why/how but the r56 series seems to be more forgiving on a front bar upgrade.
For my r53 I ran just the upgraded rear also. This time round added the front bar with a upgraded clutch, flywheel and diff hit all the same day to save ramp time so I cannot offer any insight as to how adding the bigger front, helps or hinders in isolation
i have the WMW 25.5 mm hollow rear swaybar, what front swaybar do you recommend i get to complement it? Are there any hollow front swaybars?
Actually we love the 27mm H&R bar as it works great with our WMW rear bar. For most street cars we leave the rear bar on the middle setting, and track Auto X cars we put it on the full stiff. But the larger front bar will really plant the front end, and when you have the LSD that helps more than you can imagine. There is no downside to it besides the labor to do it. https://www.waymotorworks.com/h-r-fr...ybar-mini.html
Actually we love the 27mm H&R bar as it works great with our WMW rear bar. For most street cars we leave the rear bar on the middle setting, and track Auto X cars we put it on the full stiff. But the larger front bar will really plant the front end, and when you have the LSD that helps more than you can imagine. There is no downside to it besides the labor to do it. https://www.waymotorworks.com/h-r-fr...ybar-mini.html
@WayMotorWorks Do you have it in stock? I ordered one from Tire Rack on April 27th and it hasn’t shipped yet. If you have one, I’ll cancel that order and drive up to WMW tomorrow morning. Let me know lol
Actually we love the 27mm H&R bar as it works great with our WMW rear bar. For most street cars we leave the rear bar on the middle setting, and track Auto X cars we put it on the full stiff. But the larger front bar will really plant the front end, and when you from you have the LSD that helps more than you can imagine. There is no downside to it besides the labor to do it. https://www.waymotorworks.com/h-r-fr...ybar-mini.html
Thank you, that will be one of my next purchases from you
@WayMotorWorks Do you have it in stock? I ordered one from Tire Rack on April 27th and it hasn’t shipped yet. If you have one, I’ll cancel that order and drive up to WMW tomorrow morning. Let me know lol
Scooted up to the ATL yesterday and snagged a H&R FSB from Way Motor Works. Pretty easy install. I also replaced my Madness poly bushes with Powerflex black and added some one of a kind Ireland Engineering front end links. First test drive this afternoon was great, the car felt very solid. Understeer was not an issue. I increased the Ireland Engineering rear bar to the stiffest setting and I think it really pairs well with the H&R. I have some track time coming up in July I’ll add to this then.
No LSD yet, but it’s on the list after cage, harness and seats.
I spent last weekend at Road Atlanta. Long story short, @WayMotorWorks knows what he is talking about. The larger front bar paired with a stiffer rear bar is the way to go. It did not induce understeer. It planted the front end and allowed me to pick up significant time on 1, 3, the esses, 5, 6, 7, 10a,10b, 11, and 12. Yeah, the whole damn track. It allowed me to carry more speed through the turns to set up better for the straights. I know no one wins HPDE but I was painting the bumpers of our Bavarian brothers and getting point bys all weekend long. I’ll do a full review later this week after I’ve finished going over everything on the car.
Last edited by scotty_r56s; Jun 15, 2020 at 10:59 AM.
Reason: changed over to under because pre-coffee posting is bad postingg
No LSD yet, but it’s on the list after cage, harness and seats.
I spent last weekend at Road Atlanta. Long story short, @WayMotorWorks knows what he is talking about. The larger front bar paired with a stiffer rear bar it the way to go. It did not induce oversteer. It planted the front end and allowed me to pick up significant time on 1, 3, the esses, 5, 6, 7, 10a,10b, 11, and 12. Yeah, the whole damn track. It allowed me to carry more speed through the turns to set up better for the straights. I know no one wins HPDE but I was painting the bumpers of our Bavarian brothers and getting point bys all weekend long. I’ll do a full review later this week after I’ve finished going over everything on the car.
I have long believed a front sway bar on FWD vehicles was a good thing. Nice to see some track junkies singing their praises! Now I need to get one installed to my Clubman...
No LSD yet, but it’s on the list after cage, harness and seats.
I spent last weekend at Road Atlanta. Long story short, @WayMotorWorks knows what he is talking about. The larger front bar paired with a stiffer rear bar is the way to go. It did not induce understeer. It planted the front end and allowed me to pick up significant time on 1, 3, the esses, 5, 6, 7, 10a,10b, 11, and 12. Yeah, the whole damn track. It allowed me to carry more speed through the turns to set up better for the straights. I know no one wins HPDE but I was painting the bumpers of our Bavarian brothers and getting point bys all weekend long. I’ll do a full review later this week after I’ve finished going over everything on the car.
I'm glad you like it and see the benefit as there is too much neg stereotype about it rather than real feedback like this as most people don't do it or haven't even tried it.
Roll...what roll ? Superpro front and rear bars + droplinks B16 pss10
also Quaife diff
215/45/17 Yokohama Ad08r on oz ultraleggera
Have since added gp2 strutbrace with extra free camber (extended slots)
please note this is on softer/middle setting on slightly thinner bars (26mm and 20mm), as my weekend & summer Fun car, the track time is just for fun but there is still additional scope available to be flatter and harder if I wanted.
Last edited by blue al; Jun 17, 2020 at 08:43 PM.
Reason: Sizes
Roll...what roll ? Superpro front and rear bars + droplinks B16 pss10
also Quaife diff
215/45/17 Yokohama Ad08r on oz ultraleggera
Have since added gp2 strutbrace with extra free camber (extended slots)
please note this is on softer/middle setting on slightly thinner bars (26mm and 20mm), as my weekend & summer Fun car, the track time is just for fun but there is still additional scope available to be flatter and harder if I wanted.
Yeah man! I have a 22mm hollow rear bar and now I'm thinking I need a solid one! The front just digs in and holds.
I just installed a 27mm H&R front swaybar on my 09 MCS. I posted a how to video in the how to section if anyone is interested in the install. It’s not even close to being as hard as people make it out to be to install.
