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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 06:42 AM
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Heat only at Idle

Hi Everyone,

I helped a buddy put a replacement (used from salvage yard) R50 engine in an 05 Cooper. This was in the summer, everything wet well and car has run fine since. At the time i did the swap I put a new thermostat in it and purged the coolant system, Purging the system was a pain, but it did get to the point where there was no air coming from the bleed screws.

Fast forward to the winter and we're having some -25 (celcius) days. He calls me up and says that the car has heat in the cabin when idling but not when driving. I just confirmed with him that the engine temp drops when this happens too. So my initial thought is the thermostat is stuck open. I did replace the thermostat with a new one when i put the engine in for him, it was aftermarket but I couldn't find anything indicating they were prone to failure.

Being unfamiliar with these cars i just want to know if there's anything else that could be the problem before i go down this rabbit hole?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 07:50 AM
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-25c is pretty cold. It may be that the higher rpm is circulating the water faster, which is cooling it off faster resulting in lower circulation temps. When you stop the water circulates slower allowing it to absorb more heat. Just my theory.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tgriffithjr
-25c is pretty cold. It may be that the higher rpm is circulating the water faster, which is cooling it off faster resulting in lower circulation temps. When you stop the water circulates slower allowing it to absorb more heat. Just my theory.
while that operation of things is true the tstat is supposed to open and close to regulate the coolant temp. Once the engine is warm the coolant temp shouldn't drop that much which is why I'm eyeballing the thermostat... but I don't know anything about the in cabin hvac portion on these cars so looking for anything electrical/mechanical that could be the culprit.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kmart
while that operation of things is true the tstat is supposed to open and close to regulate the coolant temp. Once the engine is warm the coolant temp shouldn't drop that much which is why I'm eyeballing the thermostat... but I don't know anything about the in cabin hvac portion on these cars so looking for anything electrical/mechanical that could be the culprit.
True. Try the old trucker trick. Cover half the radiator with cardboard and see if that helps. If it’s stuck open you should see circulation in the coolant tank when the engine is cold.
Also, even if the thermostat is working properly the cold temperatures could still be cooling the water faster than the engine can heat it.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 11:10 AM
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Just a thought: Was the thermostat installed with the spring "inside" the engine block (it should be)? If I'm not mistaken, it can be reversed, therefore would not be functioning properly (closed when cold; open when hot).
 

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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 12:30 PM
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I was thinking that possibility as well. Was suggesting simple possibilities first since getting to the thermostat is such a pain.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 12:52 PM
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Also check the expansion tank cap. If it doesn't hold pressure the engine may not heat properly.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2019 | 03:52 PM
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Also, make sure there recirculation button is pressed and actually closing the duct door.
Mini's actually draw a lot of air from the outside, if the recirculation system isn't working properly, air that cold could actually just be negating the heated air, esp if it's not heating up 100%.
 
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